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travel to NYC; Valentine&apos;s Day; carriage horses; tourist rip off; David Weprin'/><category term='intro 653A'/><category term='animal cruelty'/><category term='Horse-drawn carriages; ban horse-drawn carriages'/><category term='NYC Council'/><category term='horse and buggy'/><category term='horses'/><category term='traffic'/><category term='snow'/><category term='NYC Bar Assoc; Avella'/><title type='text'>Carriage Horses - NYC</title><subtitle type='html'>commenting on and exposing the inhumane carriage horse industry in NYC</subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default?max-results=100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><author><name>Oliver</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>58</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>100</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-1741727140014842201</id><published>2011-08-21T13:36:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2011-08-21T13:36:08.955-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='dangerous'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='carriage horses'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='traffic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Rental Horse Advisory Board'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='ban horse-drawn carriages'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='NYC'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Central Park'/><title type='text'>PROACTIVE  ... OR CATERED TO?            THE NYC CARRIAGE TRADE</title><content type='html'>&lt;div align="center" class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;Are More Taxpayer Subsidies on the Way?&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="center"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="left" class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-UUBT7pUeIyY/TlE15icii_I/AAAAAAAAAzM/EGwIi2YwMLI/s1600/PICT0096+-+reduced+9th+avenue.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="240" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-UUBT7pUeIyY/TlE15icii_I/AAAAAAAAAzM/EGwIi2YwMLI/s320/PICT0096+-+reduced+9th+avenue.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;The carriage drivers are petitioning the City of NY for more favors.  Will they get them? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A &lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/13/opinion/should-new-york-keep-its-carriage-horses.html"&gt;recent letter&lt;/a&gt; * published in the NY Times on August 12th, stated that as members of the City’s Rental Horse Advisory Board, the carriage drivers are petitioning for:&lt;br /&gt;-- hitching posts &lt;br /&gt;-- dedicated carriage lanes &lt;br /&gt;-- microchips to identify the carriage horses  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;They are also &lt;i&gt;“offering input into driver licensing by the Department of Consumer Affairs.”  &lt;/i&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Interesting material here.&lt;/b&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Notice they say nothing about providing shade for their horses while on the hack line or doing something about the very hot asphalt on which the horses must stand for hours on end.  Both of these suggestions were included on P. 11 of the &lt;a href="http://www.comptroller.nyc.gov/bureaus/audit/PDF_FILES/MH07_092A.pdf"&gt;&lt;b&gt;NYC Comptroller Audi&lt;/b&gt;t&lt;/a&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.comptroller.nyc.gov/bureaus/audit/PDF_FILES/MH07_092A.pdf"&gt; &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;of the industry in 2007. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;No – what they are suggesting will make it easier for the drivers, not the horses.&lt;/b&gt;  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The  Rental Horse Advisory Board operates secretively behind closed doors and does not share their information publicly  – even though a recent opinion from the &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.dos.ny.gov/coog/index.html"&gt;Committee on Open Government&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; said that they were subject to the Freedom of Information Law.   In their arrogance, they do not care.  Most of the members of this “democratic” board, which is part of the Department of Health, are part of or favor the carriage industry. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;In the parlance of the vernacular, it is sham board …. A joke. &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The items on which they have petitioned are proof that the industry is unsafe and that these slow moving, dangerous and flimsy carriages should not be clogging up the streets of New York City  - one of the most traffic congested cities in the country. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;The answer is to shut them down and not to offer more Taxpayer subsidies.&lt;/b&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Hitching Posts: &lt;/b&gt; The drivers like to park their carriage and leave their horse unattended while they are waiting for customers.  They might be talking with their friends or otherwise not paying attention. The horse is ignored.   The accident that occurred on July 16th is a good example of what happens with this carelessness.  A carriage horse on Central Park South was spooked when the carriage in front backed up and came too close.  The horse panicked and bolted, galloping up Central Park South for two blocks, with an empty carriage tied to his back.  He crashed into a parked car. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-E4UbYUwHCS4/TlE7Z8tFEiI/AAAAAAAAAzg/Y6IhDZh0Hf0/s1600/NYTIMES+-+horse+on+street.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="149" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-E4UbYUwHCS4/TlE7Z8tFEiI/AAAAAAAAAzg/Y6IhDZh0Hf0/s320/NYTIMES+-+horse+on+street.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;A similar thing happened in September 2007, when  a 12-year-old mare named Smoothie, also tied to an empty carriage, spooked and bolted.  However, she ran the opposite way into a tree and died on the spot.  Another unattended horse ran across Central Park South and crashed into a car.  He lived. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If both drivers had been attentive, they would have seen their horse becoming agitated and could have prevented the horse from spooking. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Many, many people want this industry to be shut down.  Why should taxpayers have to pay for hitching posts for a private industry ruining an otherwise nice street?  The drivers should pay attention to what they are doing or get out of the business.  &lt;br /&gt;And where exactly would these posts be … on Central Park South? … in front of the deli or Starbucks where the drivers have been seeing leaving their carriage unattended while they go into the store ... In Times Square? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Dedicated Carriage Lanes: &lt;/b&gt;&amp;nbsp;Wow,  this is a presumptuous one – even more so because there are only 68 carriages operating at any given time. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div align="right" class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ni-_KOrLhOo/TlE0_RuGfpI/AAAAAAAAAzI/6qOrnNaDaNQ/s1600/RESIZE+AGAIN.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="211" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ni-_KOrLhOo/TlE0_RuGfpI/AAAAAAAAAzI/6qOrnNaDaNQ/s320/RESIZE+AGAIN.JPG" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="left"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Ninth Avenue&lt;/b&gt; is the street most used when the carriages return to their stables on the far west side of Manhattan.  It is packed with traffic – four lanes plus parking on the east side of the street.  Ninth Avenue is the corridor that leads to the Lincoln Tunnel and is crowded most any time of the day.   Buses do not even have their own lane.   Ambulances from Roosevelt Hospital are a frequent part of the traffic congestion.  It has been the site of several accidents.   In 2006, a horse named Spotty, returning to his stable was spooked.  He bolted and galloped into traffic throwing his driver who was hospitalized in a coma.  Spotty crashed into a station wagon at 9th Avenue and 50th Street, wrapping around the top with his head on the ground.  He was so badly injured that he was euthanized on the spot.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Tenth Avenue&lt;/b&gt; is the route most followed for the drivers to return to their stables. &amp;nbsp;It is just as congested as Ninth Avenue. &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="left"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;b&gt;Special lanes will not have any impact on the nature of the horse. &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;By nature, horses are prey animals and will spook at the slightest provocation.  At upwards of 2,000 pounds, they become unwitting weapons and can kill themselves or anyone who is in the way. There have been many accidents around the world where this has happened.  In 2007, a five-year-old girl fell from a horse in a parade and was trampled and killed by spooked carriage horses.  Last year, in an Iowan parade, a woman fell out of the carriage after the horse spooked.  She was killed. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Within Central Park:&lt;/b&gt;  The carriages share these roads with bikers, roller bladders and joggers. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A special lane – I don’t think so.   Why should people enjoying the park give up part of the road for carriages?   Carriage wheels have damaged the asphalt and the repair expenses are picked up by the City.  Why is this? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-nTabdTq6Uno/TlE3baG8nGI/AAAAAAAAAzU/7bHukPvkJPg/s1600/181+reduced.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="212" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-nTabdTq6Uno/TlE3baG8nGI/AAAAAAAAAzU/7bHukPvkJPg/s320/181+reduced.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;b&gt;Central Park South or 59th Street&lt;/b&gt; is adjacent to the park and is another street used often.  The carriages are already clogging up the north side by the park.  Double lanes go in both direction and this is the site of many illegal u-turns. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Microchips to identify the carriage horses:&lt;/b&gt;   this is my “favorite” and the most sinister and transparent.  What does that mean in the NY Times letter  &lt;i&gt;“to identify horses.”&lt;/i&gt;  By whom?  The auctions certainly do not have wands to find a missing carriage horse. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The only reason to microchip the horses is to make it more difficult for the public to identity them when there is a problem – or to find them at the auctions.  There have been many situations when people have noticed problems with horses and have been able to report them to the authorities.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Micro chipping does not make sense.  This is not the same as for cats and dogs who should be micro chipped because they could get lost and end up at the  kill shelter.  Wanding these animals could reunite them with their guardians. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ZrIGKwGUlho/TlE36hxZiyI/AAAAAAAAAzc/wZbP3iSSunM/s1600/hoof+2.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ZrIGKwGUlho/TlE36hxZiyI/AAAAAAAAAzc/wZbP3iSSunM/s1600/hoof+2.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;But carriage horses do not run away.  The 4-digit number engraved on their hoof needs to remain.  It is the only way to hold this industry to some degree of accountability.  This is how we have found carriage horses in auctions.  This is how witnesses have identified horses with problems.  On June 25, 2010, we found Bobby, a NYC carriage horse at a kill auction. &lt;a href="http://www.equineadvocates.org/EquinesBlog/?p=1"&gt;Read his story here.&lt;/a&gt;  We were able to trace him back to West Side Livery Stable because of his 4-digit hoof number. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Input into driver licensing by the Dept of Consumer Affairs – another joke  &lt;/b&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-4bFfVo5mnzc/TlE3sBx1dDI/AAAAAAAAAzY/cNjuTJWXPGM/s1600/cellphone+4.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="240" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-4bFfVo5mnzc/TlE3sBx1dDI/AAAAAAAAAzY/cNjuTJWXPGM/s320/cellphone+4.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;-- how about some laws that prohibit the drivers to refrain while driving from using their cell phones, turning around to take pictures, reading magazines and newspapers, standing up while driving, making u-turns on Central Park South, using their horse as a battering ram to negotiate traffic – and eating.  That would go a long way into making the streets safer.  And what about all those drivers who do not have a NYS Driver license? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The carriage trade is a small industry in NYC consisting of no more than 300 people, many of whom are part time.  The Teamsters Union that represents them does so as a lobby group because they do not offer a real union shop to the drivers.    While dues are collected, it is only to pay for the Teamsters’ time – it is not for medical or vacation benefits. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Real union members should be very upset about this.&lt;/b&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For years, the City of New York has catered to this very small but politically connected industry.  &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/05/19/city-tells-carriage-horse-stable-its-time-to-close/"&gt;Shamrock Stable&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; was renting a city owned site on W. 45th St. at a subsidized rate of $5,000 per month – real estate that on the open market went for $60,000.  According to a New York Times article, they had been subsidized by the City for over 40 years.  $55,000 per year times X number of years.  Yes – that is a lot of money that could have gone toward education, senior centers or keeping the hospitals open. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Do other businesses fare so well with these kinds of deals?  No they don’t.  If they are not able to afford a location, they have to find one they can.  Simple economics. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why should this industry garner favors and be catered to over all the other small businesses – restaurants, clothing boutiques, food stores, coffee shops, restaurants  – all those who have had to close their doors because they could not afford the rent. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So time will tell whether the City will once again cater to this small but privileged industry and give them what they want at taxpayer expense … for a cash only business.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;* This is the direct link to the NY Times letter page if the embedded link does not work. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/13/opinion/should-new-york-keep-its-carriage-horses.html?_r=1"&gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/13/opinion/should-new-york-keep-its-carriage-horses.html?_r=1&amp;nbsp;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;##&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;photos show traffic on 9th Avenue and Columbus Circle; a deadly accident at 9th Avenue and 50th St. on 1/2/2006; Smoothie's death; Bobby's hoof number; driver using cell phone while driving&lt;/i&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-1741727140014842201?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/1741727140014842201/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7693697089040184548&amp;postID=1741727140014842201' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/1741727140014842201'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/1741727140014842201'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2011/08/proactive-or-catered-to-nyc-carriage.html' title='PROACTIVE  ... OR CATERED TO?            THE NYC CARRIAGE TRADE'/><author><name>Elizabeth Forel</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-UUBT7pUeIyY/TlE15icii_I/AAAAAAAAAzM/EGwIi2YwMLI/s72-c/PICT0096+-+reduced+9th+avenue.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-2275973066314431539</id><published>2011-06-12T10:35:00.027-04:00</published><updated>2011-06-12T11:16:58.908-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='carriage horses'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='traffic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Horse-drawn carriages; ban horse-drawn carriages'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='City Council'/><title type='text'>CARRIAGE HORSE DRIVERS USE HANDHELD CELL PHONES WHILE DRIVING CARRIAGES</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-brzMBv5DtFI/TfTRtbEGbSI/AAAAAAAAAnY/PCohhtWCy-A/s1600/cellphone%2B4.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"&gt;&lt;img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 320px; height: 240px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-brzMBv5DtFI/TfTRtbEGbSI/AAAAAAAAAnY/PCohhtWCy-A/s320/cellphone%2B4.jpg" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5617345213527125282" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;New York State Governor Andrew Cuomo is planning to introduce legislation to &lt;em&gt;“penalize drivers who text, post on Twitter or otherwise distract themselves with handheld electronics while at the wheel”&lt;/em&gt; according to the&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;the NY Times article &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.ghsa.org/html/stateinfo/laws/cellphone_laws.html"&gt;C&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.ghsa.org/html/stateinfo/laws/cellphone_laws.html"&gt;uomo Seeks Tougher Laws for Texting While Driving&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.ghsa.org/html/stateinfo/laws/cellphone_laws.html"&gt;,&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; ***dated June 10, 2011.&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;According to the NY Times &lt;em&gt;"The governor said he would propose upgrading so-called distracted driving from a secondary offense to a primary one, meaning that police officers could pull over drivers solely because they are spotted pecking away at their phones. "  &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt; This &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.ghsa.org/html/stateinfo/laws/cellphone_laws.html"&gt;chart&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/strong&gt;shows how other states deal with this issue.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Most are actually stricter than NYS.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt; &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;So what about NYC carriage drivers?&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;  They work on the streets in heavy traffic  -- including Central Park South, Ninth Avenue, Times Square.  They are guilty of not only using handheld  cell phones while driving their carriages, but also reading newspapers and magazines  and turning around to take pictures -- all while driving.  A new law that was passed last year requires all new carriage drivers to have a NYS drivers’ license but it allowed those who do not have a license to be grand fathered in&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;So there are still carriage drivers on the street who do not have a NYS drivers’ license.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt; Last February, the Department of Health actually proposed new regulations that would prevent drivers from using cell phones and engaging in other distractions while driving.  But oddly enough,  they rescinded them.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;"&gt;Why?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;    &lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt; &lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 320px; height: 240px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-j1oBmNo2eH4/TfTRgPsfKMI/AAAAAAAAAnQ/ZOgwBKmO7gg/s320/accident%2Bwaiting%2Bto%2Bhappen.jpg" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5617344987136993474" /&gt; Apparently the carriage drivers are above the law because they continue to  engage in these kinds of infractions where, if they had an automobile, they would be fined.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;They also make U-turns on Central Park South in the middle of heavy traffic and the authorities look the other way.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;It must be  nice to have friends at City Hall. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;So what is the problem here?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;Why are they still allowed to not pay attention while driving -- to engage in unsafe practices and get away with it?  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;They put everyone in danger - themselves, other cars, pedestrians - and of course, the horses.  &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;em&gt;*** -- if the NY Times link does not appear it is the fault of Google.  If you want to read the article, please do a search.  Sorry.  &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-2275973066314431539?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/2275973066314431539/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7693697089040184548&amp;postID=2275973066314431539' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/2275973066314431539'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/2275973066314431539'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2011/06/carriage-horse-drivers-use-handheld.html' title='CARRIAGE HORSE DRIVERS USE HANDHELD CELL PHONES WHILE DRIVING CARRIAGES'/><author><name>Elizabeth Forel</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-brzMBv5DtFI/TfTRtbEGbSI/AAAAAAAAAnY/PCohhtWCy-A/s72-c/cellphone%2B4.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-8915020154038008306</id><published>2011-03-27T06:49:00.024-04:00</published><updated>2011-03-27T12:21:57.225-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='nurse mare farms'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='overpopulation'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='foals'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='horses'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='horse slaughter'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='nurse mare foals'/><title type='text'>NURSE MARE FARMS -- AN UNNECESSARY EVIL</title><content type='html'>&lt;div align="left"&gt;&lt;em&gt;so many throw away foals...&lt;/em&gt;&lt;img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 320px; height: 249px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8Hutbume3ow/TY8dAjNuswI/AAAAAAAAAkk/U9_NdWcWSEo/s320/nursemare%2Bfoal.jpg" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5588717557880107778" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;p&gt;The other day I received an e-mail about 15 new foals who had just arrived at a sanctuary and were in desperate need of homes.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Huh, says I – why so many?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Where did they come from?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Who is breeding these animals and not taking any responsibility for them?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;    &lt;/span&gt;I am totally confused.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;So I started digging&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;and this is what I found.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Just when you think it is “safe to go back into the water” another atrocity strikes.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Known as “nurse mare foals,” these orphaned babies are the throwaway by-product of a cynical industry that leases out lactating mares - their mothers -  to nurse foals other than their own.  Their own foals  are taken from them between one day and one week of age.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;These foals  are either killed, sent to slaughter&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;or rescued.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Some are also skinned and their hides used for high end leather products – soft like a baby’s skin.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Why does this evil practice even exist you ask?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Here is why:&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;A mare who is prized as a race horse can immediately return to work as a show horse or racehorse after giving birth to her own foal.   Instead, her baby is nursed by the nursing mares who are leased out.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt; A prized mare can also be bred again if she does not have to be involved with  nursing her own foal.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;She, of course, does not have a choice.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is all about money and elitism.  It is wrong.  &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;The only way to stop this evil is for the racing industry and others who do this to allow their mares to nurse and wean their own young for as long as it takes.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;Please see these links on the issue and on the rescues that are helping the unwanted foals:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;a href="http://unnecessaryevils.blogspot.com/2008/08/nurse-mare-farms-industrys-other-dirty.html"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Nurse-Mare Farms: The Industry’s "Other" Dirty Little Secret&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.dreamequinetherapycenter.org/nurse_mare_foals.html"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;Dream Equine Therapy Center&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style="'font-size:11.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.dreamequinetherapycenter.org/nurse_mare_foals.html"&gt; &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.mountainviewrescue.com/NMF.htm"&gt;Mountain View Rescue&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;A word about the homeless horse crisis, which is directly related &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;to horse slaughter.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;According to the USDA, 112,904 US horses were slaughtered in 2010 – up from 106,542 in 2009. 53,104 went to Mexico and 59, 693 to Canada.  Horse slaughter is illegal in the US.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;We need to put a stigma on the breeding of horses just like we have done about &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;the irresponsible breeding of cats and dogs.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We still kill millions in animal shelters yearly, but the numbers have gone down significantly because of campaigns emphasizing  spaying and neutering and controlling births.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The same thing must be done with  horses.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;There are far too many and not enough good homes.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The slaughter house is no option and we need to get a handle on this obscene problem.  While these babies are adorable and are in desperate need of a home, they will displace other horses already here. It is an industry that should be abolished.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;As long as so many&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt; -   &lt;/span&gt;horses, cats, and dogs – are throwaways, dying for lack of good homes, something is wrong with our society.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;###&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-8915020154038008306?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/8915020154038008306/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7693697089040184548&amp;postID=8915020154038008306' title='7 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/8915020154038008306'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/8915020154038008306'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2011/03/nurse-mare-farms-unnecessary-evil.html' title='NURSE MARE FARMS -- AN UNNECESSARY EVIL'/><author><name>Elizabeth Forel</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8Hutbume3ow/TY8dAjNuswI/AAAAAAAAAkk/U9_NdWcWSEo/s72-c/nursemare%2Bfoal.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>7</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-7106637843613663382</id><published>2011-03-12T10:39:00.031-05:00</published><updated>2011-03-12T12:11:19.626-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='legislation'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='horse slaughter'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='NYC Council'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='carriage horses nyc'/><title type='text'>NYC CARRIAGE HORSES - it is not what will happen to them if there is a ban. It is what is happening NOW!</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-JZvCkxytmyc/TXums5y8t5I/AAAAAAAAAkU/_Ew7mhEBwwI/s1600/animal%2Bangels%2B-%2B3-2011.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 300px; height: 222px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-JZvCkxytmyc/TXums5y8t5I/AAAAAAAAAkU/_Ew7mhEBwwI/s320/animal%2Bangels%2B-%2B3-2011.jpg" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5583239453414832018" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have to admit that I am very tired of this question  - &lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;what will happen to the horses if the carriage industry is banned? &lt;/span&gt; If you are new to the issue, I can understand the question.  But if you are not, it means you are not reading the proposed legislation that has been out for almost four years – first Intro 658 and then Intro 86!   This is important if you are to be fully educated about this issue.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;HISTORY:&lt;/span&gt;  In  2006, the Coalition to Ban Horse-Drawn Carriages began the campaign to put an end to this inhumane, unsafe and frivolous carriage trade in NYC.  But one would think that we went into this without any thought to the horses, considering some of the questions we get.   This is the only reason we are involved in this issue at all.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;It was and remains our desire to save the horses.  Period.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;NEW DISPOSITION LANGUAGE:&lt;/span&gt;  In 2007, we worked with former Council Member and present NYS Senator Tony Avella to introduce Intro 658.  This bill was historic, the first ever bill to ban the carriage industry.  The language to deal with “horse disposition” as it is referred to, was considered very carefully by the City Council’s attorneys because the horses are privately owned.  The “A” section addressed horse disposition.  For those of you who have never read this section of the bill, it is included below.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The purpose was to amend the existing Administrative Code.  The text in brackets [ ] means it is removed.  The italicized sections indicate new language.  The intent of this amended section would require that  the owners be held accountable for all the horses in their businesses and make sure they were either adopted into a good home or a sanctuary.  They would not be allowed to be sold to work in another carriage trade.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The present law states that a horse must be disposed of in a ”humane manner,” which is meaningless because it never included an explanation.    The law also does not require that sales or transfer records be submitted to the Department of Health if the transaction is made outside of New York City as most are.  This means a horse can be taken to auction and the owner is not required to provide this information to the Department of Health.  This is where many horses fall through the cracks.  When one studies the existing carriage horse regulations, it is quite apparent that they were written to protect the industry  --  not the horses --  and to secure the veil of secrecy.&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 320px; height: 214px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1WGtKA2ML1k/TXumzs_mxbI/AAAAAAAAAkc/7TKgnrDCvy0/s320/animal%2Blaw%2Bcoalition%2B-%2B3-2011.jpg" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5583239570237343154" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Section 1.    Section 17-329 of title 17 of the Administrative Code of the city of New York is amended to read as follows:&lt;br /&gt;§17-329  Disposition  of  licensed  horse.  a. The department shall be notified of the transfer of ownership or other disposition of a licensed horse within [ten] &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;five&lt;/span&gt; days thereafter. Such notice shall include the date of disposition and [if sold in New York city,] the name and address of the buyer or other transferee and such other information as the commissioner may prescribe.&lt;br /&gt;b. A horse shall not be sold or disposed of except in a humane manner, &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;which, for the purposes of this subchapter shall mean one of the following:&lt;br /&gt;1.  The owner shall sell or donate the horse to a private individual who signs an assurance that the horse will not be sold and shall be kept solely as a companion animal and not employed in another horse-drawn carriage business or as a work horse and will be cared for humanely for the remainder of the horse's natural life; or&lt;br /&gt;2.  The owner shall sell or donate the horse to a duly incorporated animal sanctuary or duly incorporated animal protection organization whose president or executive director signs an assurance that the horse will not be sold and shall be kept solely as a companion animal and not employed in another horse-drawn carriage business and will be cared for humanely for the remainder of the horse's natural life.&lt;br /&gt;c.  Records indicating the name, address and telephone number of the private individual, duly incorporated animal sanctuary or duly incorporated animal protection organization to whom the horse was sold or donated together with the assurance specified above shall be sent by the owner to the department within five days after such sale or donation.  A copy of such record shall also be maintained at the stable.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;VINTAGE CAR BILL:&lt;/span&gt;  Intro 86, the vintage car bill, which  was introduced in 2010, did not include anything about saving the horses.  They would still continue to fall through the cracks on their way to auction in upstate New York and Pennsylvania.  We asked the sponsor of the bill, Council Member Melissa Mark Viverito to add this same section to her bill, which she did.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But the City Council is never going to pass a bill without seeing a prototype of this “vintage replica electric hybrid car.”  And because the sponsors of this bill know that and have been supposedly working on this “car” since 2008, we wonder why they have not produced a model car.  Some Council Members brought this up over one year ago at the Council hearing of Intro 86.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And while all this inaction continues, the horses continue to disappear – approximately 1/3  - about 70 - disappear from the Department of Health rolls each year.  Carriage horses have an average working life on the street of only four years.    Because of the way the existing law is written, favoring the lack of transparency by the industry, they keep falling through the cracks on their way to the slaughter auctions.  Sure some of them – the favorites – are saved and find good homes.  But the majority probably do go to auction.  There is simply no real proof because of the way the law is written.   The industry can claim they adopt every one, but  they are not required to show any proof.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;SLAUGHTER STATISTICS:&lt;/span&gt;  On their web site, the &lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.equinewelfarealliance.org/uploads/Slaughter_Statistics.pdf"&gt;Equine Welfare Alliance&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt; (source is USDA) cites 112, 904 US horses slaughtered in 2010 – up from 106,542 in 2009.  53,104 went to Mexico and 59, 693 to Canada.  Surely some of those horses were from the carriage trades all over the country.  There are too many horses because people unconscionably still breed them.  As with cats and dogs and the emphasis on spaying and neutering over the last 20 –30 plus years, we need to make the breeding of horses unacceptable until none are sent on to the slaughter auctions.  Considering the price of horseflesh – approximately 60-80 cents a pound, a 1,000-pound horse can bring about $800; 2,000-pound horse (large draft breeds) can bring about $1,600.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 240px; height: 320px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-7LusRIWgNZg/TXumXaN1gdI/AAAAAAAAAkM/osL9J_n1E9E/s320/Bobby.JPG" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5583239084160418258" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In 2010, the Coalition to Ban Horse-Drawn Carriages, along with Equine Advocates and Friends of Animals, rescued Bobby II Freedom from the slaughter auction at New Holland, Pennsylvania.  Bobby, then called Billy, was a discarded NYC carriage horse who had been owned by two people from West Side Livery stable on W. 38th St.  Bobby’s story is truly heart warming and he was recently immortalized by Peter Max in a beautiful painting that was auctioned off at the Armory’s art show in NYC.  He is now living the Life of Reilly at Equine Advocates Sanctuary in upstate New York.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I cannot stress upon you enough that if you care about these horses, &lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;you must care about what happens to them now.&lt;/span&gt;  Intro 86A addresses what will happen to them if the industry is banned.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But we want to take that section and make a stand alone bill and convince the Council to pass it now.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Recently, we put up a petition on Change.org that addresses this issue.  The petition generates letters to the City Council asking them to pass a stand-alone bill that would address the issue of horse slaughter now.  It would make the owners accountable for their horses.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you have not done so yet - read and &lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.change.org/petitions/pity_the_poor_horses_where_did_they_all_go"&gt;sign the petition&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt; on Change.org&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;SOURCES&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Coalition to Ban Horse-Drawn Carriages&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://banhdc.org/"&gt;http://banhdc.org/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Horses Without Carriages International&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://horseswithoutcarriages.org/"&gt;http://horseswithoutcarriages.org/&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Equine Welfare Alliance&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.equinewelfarealliance.org/"&gt;http://www.equinewelfarealliance.org/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Mary Nash's Horse Meat Website&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://kaufmanzoning.net/"&gt;http://kaufmanzoning.net/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Animals Angels&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.animalsangels.org/"&gt;http://www.animalsangels.org/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;photos credited to Animals Angels, Equine Welfare Alliance, Equine Advocates&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-7106637843613663382?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/7106637843613663382/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7693697089040184548&amp;postID=7106637843613663382' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/7106637843613663382'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/7106637843613663382'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2011/03/nyc-carriage-horses-it-is-not-what-will.html' title='NYC CARRIAGE HORSES - it is not what will happen to them if there is a ban. It is what is happening NOW!'/><author><name>Elizabeth Forel</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-JZvCkxytmyc/TXums5y8t5I/AAAAAAAAAkU/_Ew7mhEBwwI/s72-c/animal%2Bangels%2B-%2B3-2011.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-6712764631732847021</id><published>2011-03-05T20:15:00.022-05:00</published><updated>2011-03-05T21:31:21.155-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='NYC shelter animals'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Democratic Primary'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Christine Quinn'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='carriage horses'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='John Liu'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='NYC mayoral elections'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Anthony Weiner'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Tony Avella'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Bill DeBlasio'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Scott Stringer'/><title type='text'>NYC :  2013 MAYORAL ELECTION …</title><content type='html'>It's March 2011 and counting.  By January 2013, the race for mayor should be in full swing. September 2013 …  Primary Day.    At this point, it seems like it might be a packed house – at least according to AM-NY, which recently ran a story about the hopefuls. &lt;font style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.vosizneias.com/77370/2011/02/28/new-york-nyc-mayoral-hopefuls-preen-for-2013-race"&gt;Click here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/font&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;TOP CONTENDERS:  The top contenders mentioned in the article were Bill Thompson, Anthony Weiner, Christine Quinn, Scott Stringer, John Liu and Bill DeBlasio.  A side bar in the paper version mentioned long shots, but still possibilities, as Tony Avella and Marty Markowitz.  This, of course, is just for the Democratic primary.  A wealthy dark horse could step up at any time as Mr. Bloomberg did  in 2001 and knock everybody out of the race with the dazzle of money.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 200px; height: 156px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-bw2Ysx-uajU/TXLupgb1mQI/AAAAAAAAAjs/WI9d8V7RMfA/s200/vote.jpeg" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5580785285114206466"&gt;For those of us who care about NYC’s animals and how they continue to be short shrifted, immediately cross Christine Quinn and John Liu off the list.  Quinn is so far successfully manipulating some of the large ineffective animal organizations into promoting her as being good for animals.  She is not and never has been.   The bills she recently passed were pathetic, light weight bills that were either unenforceable or would do little to nothing to help animals.  &lt;a href="http://www.blindersthemovie.com/2011/01/22/group-fighting-to-ban-horse-drawn-carriages-has-a-conflict-of-interest/"&gt;Visit this blog &lt;/a&gt;for more information. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;By animal issues, I specifically mean the ongoing dreadful city shelter catastrophe, where killing cats and dogs daily is the name of the game ... and the ongoing exploitation and institutional abuse of the carriage horses, all in the name of tourism.  Of course, the other issue that needs thoughtful and compassionate consideration by a wise executive is the wide spread slaughter of geese that has nationally shamed NYC.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As for Anthony Weiner, he thinks he can be coy by not addressing these hot button issues, but apparently feels comfortable with other issues like opposing the new bike lanes.  See the most recent story in the &lt;a href="http://gothamist.com/2011/03/05/mayor_weiners_first_act_would_aboli.php"&gt;Gothamist.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;STRINGER &amp;amp; DEBLASIO:  Are Scott Stringer and Bill DeBlasio really planning to run for mayor?    That is the question – but here’s the rub if you care about animal issues in NYC …&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Manhattan Borough President Scott Stringer was elected to his current post in 2003.  Although he was only supposed to serve for two terms, he decided that he wanted to run for another – to go against the will of the people.  It was too irresistible to stay in office.  This disrespect of the people who elected him will forever remain stuck in the craw of many.   Recently Mr. Stringer was the recipient of a fund raiser directed to people interested in animal issues ... trying to get on their good side; trying to talk the talk.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The truth is that Mr. Stringer has done nothing for either the carriage horses or shelter animals in his nine years in office – not even to use the bully pulpit of the Borough President’s office.  Think about it … 9 years … approximately 70 carriage horses disappear off the rolls of the Department of Health per year x 9 … that’s a minimum of 630 horses unaccounted for;  9 years … a minimum of 205,390  cats and dogs killed at Animal Care and Control. [these numbers are taken from the web site of Animal Care &amp;amp; Control of NYC.]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And Mr. DeBlasio as the Public Advocate is no better.  Recently an article “written” by Bill DeBlasio appeared in the Huffington Post supporting the electric car bill – Intro 86A – a bill that would substitute vintage replica hybrid cars for the horse carriages, phasing them out over three years.  The article was most likely written by someone at NY Class, the organization that supposedly wants this new industry to happen.  The only problem is that they have been working on it since 2008 and have never produced a prototype.  It is a bill in concept only.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Mr. DeBlasio also did not mention the suffering of the horses in his article; he did not even acknowledge that it is actually Intro 86A, which addresses horse disposition and prevents them from going to slaughter, thanks to our intervention on this bill with Council Member Melissa Mark Viverito, the sponsor.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The sad truth is that Mr. DeBlasio has done nothing for either the carriage horses or the shelter animals in his eight years in office as a Council Member and his one year as Public Advocate – not even to use the bully pulpit of the Public Advocate’s  office.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So why should those of us who care about animals support either one for mayor?  They are all talk and no action, but they know the animal community is ripe with suckers born every minute.  They both know you are an easy mark.  Maybe because animal people are so desperate – always looking for a pied piper.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My advice to both Mr. DeBlasio and Mr. Stringer is to actually DO SOMETHING FOR THE ANIMALS.  Make us want to support you.  Don’t take the “animal” vote for granted because you will not get it. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My advice to animal people  is to research all of these candidates and see for yourself.  Don’t accept what the “big” organizations say.  Question all motives.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is the most important piece of advice I can impart:  The City Council is not a democratic body.  Only bills that are supported by Speaker Christine Quinn go anywhere.  Council members know this but play the game and “sponsor” bills anyway so they look “good” to their constituents.  But I am sorry to tell you that it means nothing because when push comes to shove, it is their vote that counts when and if action is taken on the bill.  It is about who stands up to be counted.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A few years ago, a bill dealing with a resolution on humane education made it to a vote.  It listed over 40 Council Members as supporters.  A naive person would expect that the bill would pass since there are 51 council members and the majority clearly supported this bill.  But the bill failed miserably when it came to a vote.  Most of those council members voted the way Christine Quinn wanted them to and she was opposed to it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;SENATOR TONY AVELLA:  I think a draft Tony Avella for Mayor movement looks better every day. Here is someone who put his career on the line and introduced the historic bill to ban horse drawn carriages in 2007.  That took a lot of courage.   Albany is lucky to have a state legislator with the drive and integrity of Mr. Avella who won the state senate seat from Queens in 2010.  Recently, he reintroduced a bill to ban foie gras – a particularly cruel practice of force feeding ducks for a frivolous pate.  See &lt;a href="http://www.nysenate.gov/senator/tony-avella/"&gt;Senator Avella’s home page&lt;/a&gt; on the Senate web site. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;WHAT CAN YOU DO? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-- Know the issues and the facts.&lt;br /&gt;-- If you are not already a Democrat, register to vote now in the Democratic primary, which will be held in September 2013 – because this will be where the action is. Don't wait until the last minute.&lt;br /&gt;-- Join a local Democratic club and get active.  At some point, they will endorse a candidate for mayor and you will be able to vote and offer your opinions and affect the decision.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And please support our ongoing campaign.  We are independent and tireless.  We are currently looking for a City Council member who will support a stand alone bill to save the horses from the slaughter auctions.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Elizabeth Forel&lt;br /&gt;Coalition to ban horse-drawn carriages.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://banhdc.org/"&gt;www.banhdc.org&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Horses Without Carriages International&lt;br /&gt;www.horseswithoutcarriages.org&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-6712764631732847021?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/6712764631732847021/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7693697089040184548&amp;postID=6712764631732847021' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/6712764631732847021'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/6712764631732847021'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2011/03/nyc-2013-mayoral-election.html' title='NYC :  2013 MAYORAL ELECTION …'/><author><name>Elizabeth Forel</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-bw2Ysx-uajU/TXLupgb1mQI/AAAAAAAAAjs/WI9d8V7RMfA/s72-c/vote.jpeg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-708988615359057268</id><published>2011-02-27T12:36:00.039-05:00</published><updated>2011-02-27T14:04:56.953-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='equine advocates'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='carriage horses'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='animal cruelty'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='coalition to ban horse-drawn carriages'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='ban horse-drawn carriages'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Central Park'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='horse rolling'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='NYC tourism'/><title type='text'>ROLLING IS PALPABLE HORSE JOY</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-iumHg3rb6ww/TWqebHoBmjI/AAAAAAAAAjU/VI7Z35v96Us/s1600/bobby%2Brolling.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 320px; height: 214px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-iumHg3rb6ww/TWqebHoBmjI/AAAAAAAAAjU/VI7Z35v96Us/s320/bobby%2Brolling.jpg" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5578445277192362546" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If given the opportunity, rolling is one of the few pleasures a horse has.  It is something he can do for himself.  He will use it for pleasure on the snow packed ground.  He will roll in the mud and dirt right after you just spent an hour grooming him.  What you didn’t realize is that he is putting the finishing touches on your grooming job by shedding the  excess moisture and getting his hair just the way he likes it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yes, as Elizabeth Hess said in &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.ruralintelligence.com/index.php/community_section/community_articles_passages/horse_heaven_escaping_the_plate/"&gt;Horse Heaven:  Escaping the Plate&lt;/a&gt; -&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;em&gt;“rolling is palpable horse joy.”&lt;/em&gt;  When I first read this phrase, it resonated deeply with me because I knew that watching a horse roll is one of the great pleasures in life if you love horses.  Dogs enjoy a good, satisfying roll and so do those “drop and roll” cats – looking for a belly rub.  But watching these gentle graceful giants roll is truly a sight for sore eyes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.equineadvocates.org/EquinesBlog/?p=1"&gt;Bobby II Freedom,&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; a former New York City carriage horse, was rescued from the slaughter auctions in June 2010 by the Coalition to Ban Horse-Drawn Carriages, Equine Advocates and Friends of Animals.  When Bobby stepped out of his horse trailer after the long ride from Pennsylvania to the heaven that is the Equine Advocates Sanctuary, one of the first things he did after picking up the scent of other horses, hay and grass was to chew a mouthful of grass and drop to his knees to begin a long and luxurious roll.   When one considers what kind of life Bobby had until that time, it is easy to see why.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As a carriage horse in NYC, Bobby  lived in a small stall, probably no bigger than 48 square feet, which was the minimum legal requirement – now it is 60 sq. ft, which is still far too small for even a standardbred.  Bobby had no opportunity for turnout – no paddock  -- no pasture. As a work horse, he went from the confines of the shafts of his carriage, in which he was legally allowed to work nine hours a day, seven days a week, to the confines of his stall.  Life was not good.  He had to put up with it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Susan Wagner, president and founder of &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.equineadvocates.org/"&gt;Equine Advocates&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; and Bobby’s new care giver knows about the value of rolling and added that &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;“urban carriage horses that never have turn-out are also often denied the opportunity to assume all of their natural postures, including that of lateral recumbency, which happens when the horse is completely lying down flat on his or her side with legs stretched out. This position allows the animal to meaningfully lie down and be completely at rest. More often, horses confined to small stalls with no turn-out can only assume the more cramped position of sternal recumbency where the animal is lying down on his or her chest with legs tucked up.” &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;At Equine Advocates Sanctuary, the horse stalls are all at least 12’x 12’ providing Bobby with the digs he so richly deserves.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 320px; height: 252px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-2O-zIOTWppc/TWqeusVMMnI/AAAAAAAAAjc/MqXNiUHdFhI/s320/Monty%2Brolling%2B-%2B2.jpg" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5578445613462991474" /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;All horses instinctively love to roll.  They do it after grooming, after confinement, after heavy exercise.  It makes them feel good.  In the summer and fall, the extra layer of dirt they get from rolling  helps to  protect their skin from bug bites.   I cannot imagine what it must be like not to have this option.   Dispirited horses put up with a lot – they have no choice.  But they are being deprived of one of their great pleasures in life.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Experts suggest that horses be given  the freedom to roll –  that besides being fun and putting the finishing touches on their grooming, it also plays a very important part in a  horse's health.   When a horse rolls, he is stretching the muscles in his body, keeping him healthy and flexible and helping him to relax.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://banhdc.org/"&gt;Coalition to Ban Horse-Drawn Carriages &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;has been actively campaigning for a ban of the carriage industry in New York City since 2006.  This traffic congested city is no place for a horse who cannot live a natural life.  Instead he is exploited as part of a frivolous industry and cast aside when no longer needed.   This is a movement that is being seen and heard around the world.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;(Please note that rolling is normal but a colicing horse can also roll because of pain.  It will appear different and you should seek help. )&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The first picture above shows Bobby after he came out of the trailer at Equine Advocates.  Photo credit:  Jim Craner:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The picture of the white horse is Monty - a rescued, former Boston carriage horse living at &lt;a href="http://cneer.com/"&gt;Central New England Equine Rescue.&lt;/a&gt;  Photo credit:  Vicky Berry&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;These are non related independent videos on Youtube showing horses rolling.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6vFRmkEOpc"&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6vFRmkEOpc&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWOTFA2WqOA&amp;amp;feature=related"&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWOTFA2WqOA&amp;amp;feature=related     &lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa71Q9eTEtY&amp;amp;feature=fvst"&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa71Q9eTEtY&amp;amp;feature=fvst&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Elizbeth Forel&lt;br /&gt;Coalition to Ban Horse-Drawn Carriages&lt;br /&gt;www.banhdc.org&lt;br /&gt;Horses Without Carriages International&lt;br /&gt;www.horseswithoutcarriages.org&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;###&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-708988615359057268?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/708988615359057268/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7693697089040184548&amp;postID=708988615359057268' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/708988615359057268'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/708988615359057268'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2011/02/rolling-is-palpable-horse-joy.html' title='ROLLING IS PALPABLE HORSE JOY'/><author><name>Elizabeth Forel</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-iumHg3rb6ww/TWqebHoBmjI/AAAAAAAAAjU/VI7Z35v96Us/s72-c/bobby%2Brolling.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-632136682003550273</id><published>2011-02-21T17:39:00.012-05:00</published><updated>2011-02-21T18:17:17.935-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='tourism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='ban carriage horses'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Cozumel carriage horses'/><title type='text'>COZUMEL CARRIAGE HORSES , BANNED AND SAVED!!!</title><content type='html'>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;A Cozumel horse advocate speaks out&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The inhumane carriage trade is finally coming to an end at the end of March in the beautiful&lt;img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 200px; height: 134px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-UQ8sONQUc-M/TWLw3113LXI/AAAAAAAAAi0/4OXCOppqN18/s200/Cozumel.jpg" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5576284130774560114" /&gt; island of Cozumel.  A law that has been on the books for some time now will finally be enforced.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The carriage trade proponents (drivers and owners mostly) are spreading the word that no one considered what will happen to the horses and they will all go to slaughter. They are doing that to negatively affect all the other ongoing campaigns such as the one in New York City.   Not only is this not true, but they carefully ignore the fact that if an owner of a horse wants to bring his horse to the slaughter auctions, it is his choice -- whether in NYC or Cozumel.   Besides, that is where many of them go now when their work life is over.   The horse owner is accountable for the fate of his horse.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The following was written by a horse advocate who has been very involved with this issue in Cozumel.   It is written in English, although not her first language, which is Spanish.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;This is her response to the neigh sayers on a "horse" blog.&lt;/strong&gt;  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;to &lt;/em&gt;&lt;em&gt;lolalola&lt;/em&gt;&lt;em&gt;: as your Spanish skills are only basics I am assuming the info you give here is not accurate, or you made it up.  Where did you read this ?&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;to everyone:&lt;br /&gt;If we requested to ban the horse drawn carriages in Cozumel due to the cruelty and abuse caused to the horses ,we obviously had contemplated the destination , use and welfare of the horses after the ban takes place. i don't have or need to give details about it but i will.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;*we had requested the mayor to have the animal control center office to supervise the destination and use given to the horses after the ban takes place.and we will be there to make sure is done and done right.&lt;br /&gt;*yes, the horses are privately owned, but the animal protection and welfare law of the state has regulations for the owners of the animals. if they don't follow they can face not only a fine but days in jail.&lt;br /&gt;*there are not slaughter houses on the island , and to transport a 2,ooo lb.  horse to a slaughter house is not worth it for the owners so please stop saying Cozumel's horses will be taken to slaughter houses.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;em&gt;*yes , there is a horse sanctuary on the island.     &lt;/em&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;em&gt;* yes, there are people willing to adopt or buy this horses to have them at their camp houses,well kept and give them a descent life.    &lt;/em&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;em&gt;*and stop trying to blame the situation on us, if carriage drivers and owners had followed the regulations given to them by 3 different municipality departments, we would not have needed to have to ask for the ban. In few words, it became impossible to regulate them or have control on them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So stop worrying or using Cozumel 's horses , because they are going to be much better than they are now. you can be sure about that.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;em&gt;i could sit here and talk for hours , days about this industry , i have seen everything that happens behind of it, and you are not going to like what i have to say.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;you are going to have to excuse me but i have better things to do with my time and energy than to sit here and argue with people that obviously make their living out of the carriage industry.  For example i have to make sure a horse working with open wounds is taking off the streets and to have checked the horse that bolted on Saturday, because if he is not injured from the accident he surely is from the beating given to him by his driver for bolting.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;Please, Stop using the horse situation after a ban as an excuse not to ban.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Dont  try to win a loosing war.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;People, use common sense.  On Saturday there where 5 cruise ships parked at the pier in the area where the horse bolted. A mother , a Father , or someones child could have gotten killed, tourists or people working in this area to feed their families.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;People evolve.  New generations are not using your services, sooner than later horse drawn carriages will have to disappear.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So stop saying lies and get your self a descent job that does not involve animal exploitation and danger to people.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;em&gt;regards from a soon to be free from &lt;/em&gt;&lt;em&gt;horse drawn&lt;/em&gt; carriages Cozumel&lt;em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-632136682003550273?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/632136682003550273/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7693697089040184548&amp;postID=632136682003550273' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/632136682003550273'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/632136682003550273'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2011/02/cozumel-carriage-horses-banned-and.html' title='COZUMEL CARRIAGE HORSES , BANNED AND SAVED!!!'/><author><name>Elizabeth Forel</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-UQ8sONQUc-M/TWLw3113LXI/AAAAAAAAAi0/4OXCOppqN18/s72-c/Cozumel.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-8814447802286184797</id><published>2011-02-10T17:56:00.037-05:00</published><updated>2011-02-10T19:21:46.893-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='fire safety'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Vancouver'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='carriage horses'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='carriage horse; Holly Cheever; Tony Avella; horse spooking; NY City Council; Coalition to Ban Horse-Drawn Carriages'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='stable fires'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='NYC tourism'/><title type='text'>FIRE IN CARRIAGE HORSE STABLE IN VANCOUVER -- WHAT ABOUT NYC?</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-cLBwcCwzsj8/TVR4N4DZ_6I/AAAAAAAAAis/jp967Q_6BNY/s1600/Chateau%2Bfire-3.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 200px; height: 150px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-cLBwcCwzsj8/TVR4N4DZ_6I/AAAAAAAAAis/jp967Q_6BNY/s200/Chateau%2Bfire-3.jpg" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5572210818744450978" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cIIZ6vx4Cu0/TVR4CAIiioI/AAAAAAAAAik/Xl6n9lzdntA/s1600/Chateau%2Bfire-3.jpg"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;A recent fire in a horse drawn carriage stable in &lt;/span&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.theprovince.com/news/Horse+drawn+carriages+damaged+horses+unhurt+Stanley+Park+fire/4251499/story.html"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;Vancouver, Canada&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt; caused over $50,000 in damage but fortunately none of the horses were in the facility at the time.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;This past August, an electrical fire broke out at Chateau Stables.  We were told that there were no injuries  of either horse or human but there appeared to be quite a bit of damage.  See this video on &lt;/span&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSd65Ys3l1s"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;Youtube.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;I don't know what the fire protection requirements are in Vancouver.    But I do know New York City.   &lt;/span&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;S&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;p&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;rinklers are not a legal requirement for  horse stables in this supposedly #1 city.   &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;It is solely up to the discretion of the owner.   So &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;although stables generally house very flammable material -- such as hay, wood stalls and carriages ...not to mention the precious lives of the many horses who are stuck on the upper floors and whose only means of egress is the ramp, which will act as a chimney if there is a fire, sprinklers are not required.  This picture below is at West Side Livery and shows their "fire protection" system.        &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 200px; height: 150px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7c8wp9dbF4o/TVR2swHbT1I/AAAAAAAAAic/iDT33C7kZko/s200/water%2Bbuckets.jpg" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5572209150166519634" /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;This issue had been suppressed by the City Council for years. More than five years ago there was actually a bill that called for sprinklers in horse stables, but it was killed. More recently a bill that called for sprinklers in establishments that house animals - such as pet stores - has been ignored. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;To add insult to injury, in February, the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;Department of Health (DoH) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;proposed the following changes to Article 161 of the NYC Health Code.  The DoH rescinded the proposal when Intro 35-A was passed. Intro 35-A was an industry bill, which gave the drivers a rate increase.  It did not address this issue.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;(6) Fire hazards&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;. Premises shall be kept free of fire hazards. Effective July 1, 2011, all buildings in which stables are located shall be equipped with an operational sprinkler system installed in accordance with §BC903.3.1.1 of the New York City Building Code, or successor provision. (8) Electrical wiring. (A) All electrical appliances shall be plugged directly into properly grounded electrical outlets. (B) Electrical wiring shall be installed and maintained in metal electrical conduits. (C) Extension cords may be used for brief periods of time, not to exceed three (3) hours, and 25 such cords shall be disconnected and removed when the appliances or tools to which they are connected are not being used.&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.firesafetyinbarns.com/"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;Fire Safety in Barns&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt; is a website  dedicated to preventing deadly fires in barns and stables.  It is must reading for any municipality that wants to&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="';font-family:Arial;font-size:12.0pt;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;take this issue seriously.   &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;Take a look at the chart on this site &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.firesafetyinbarns.com/firelog.html"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;Loss of Animal by Fire&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;It is devastating and much of it could be prevented.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;Yet it contains only fires that were reported to the media&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;We think this is outrageous.   What hold does this tiny carriage industry have over the legislators.  Lives  are at risk.&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;Please call or write Speaker Christine Quinn and other NYC Council members - &lt;/span&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://council.nyc.gov/html/members/members.shtml"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;click here.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;    And send an e-mail to Mayor Bloomberg by &lt;/span&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.nyc.gov/portal/site/nycgov/menuitem.bd08ee7c7c1ffec87c4b36d501c789a0/index.jsp?doc_name=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nyc.gov%2Fhtml%2Fmail%2Fhtml%2Fmayor.html"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;clicking here.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;   Tell them to pass a law to require sprinklers in horse stables.  It is way past time. &lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:12.0pt;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:12.0pt;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:12.0pt;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-8814447802286184797?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/8814447802286184797/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7693697089040184548&amp;postID=8814447802286184797' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/8814447802286184797'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/8814447802286184797'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2011/02/fire-in-carriage-horse-stable-in.html' title='FIRE IN CARRIAGE HORSE STABLE IN VANCOUVER -- WHAT ABOUT NYC?'/><author><name>Elizabeth Forel</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-cLBwcCwzsj8/TVR4N4DZ_6I/AAAAAAAAAis/jp967Q_6BNY/s72-c/Chateau%2Bfire-3.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-5291265380690227193</id><published>2011-02-01T18:31:00.010-05:00</published><updated>2011-02-01T22:04:55.306-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='ASPCA'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='carriage horses'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Blinders'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='snow'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Central Park'/><title type='text'>OPEN LETTER TO THE ASPCA by Donny Moss - director of Blinders:  The Truth Behind the Tradition</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/TUjI8GtTXMI/AAAAAAAAAh4/rOlt9-ryU3E/s1600/1-Donny%2B1-27-11%2B.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; cursor: pointer; width: 313px; height: 234px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/TUjI8GtTXMI/AAAAAAAAAh4/rOlt9-ryU3E/s200/1-Donny%2B1-27-11%2B.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5568921874161949890" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;This afternoon, someone forwarded to me an e-mail from the ASPCA's equine vet, Pam Corey.  She was defending the ASPCA against all the complaints they have received about not doing a good job concerning  the NYC carriage horse issue.  NYC has recently been hit with quite a bit of snow and icy conditions and the criticisms were well founded.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But no one hit it quite on the head with such a sense of completeness as Donny Moss, the director of the award winning documentary about the carriage industry, known affectionately as Blinders.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;p&gt; In 2008, his documentary was released.  Donny has continued to be a strong advocate for the carriage horses and for ethics in politics. &lt;/p&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"&gt;First off:  this is Pam Corey's response to criticism:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Since December 1st, New York City carriage operations have been suspended 12 times by ASPCA agents due to weather issues or cold  temperatures (18 degrees in the winter.) The park drives are patrolled to evaluate safety of the surfaces and when icy or &gt;slippery, the horse  carriages are sent back to the stables.   No horses left their stables today, February 1st, due to the ASPCA's   suspension this morning, due to slippery roads.    Despite the fact that NYC Parks and NYPD officers, as well as  inspectors from the city's department of health and department of  consumer affairs must enforce the laws regulating carriage horses,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;The ASPCA agents are the only ones that travel to Central Park to  examine the road conditions and take the air temperature. Complaints  to this department from around the country state that the ASPCA does  nothing to protect the horses. Our continued monitoring of the park   and response to complaints shows that this is not true.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;thank you for your concern about the carriage horses, we share it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sincerely,&lt;br /&gt;Pamela Corey DVM&lt;br /&gt;Director of Equine Veterinary Services&lt;br /&gt;Humane Law Enforcement&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;=======================================================================&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;REBUTTAL: this is from Donny Moss&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Dear Dr. Corey:&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;In response to your message, perhaps the following reasons  &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;explain why people &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;around the country complain to the ASPCA about your  &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;handling of the carriage horses:&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;1.  The ASPCA is silent when your voice is needed the most.  At the  &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Mayor's public hearing on the carriage operator rate hike bill,  &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Bloomberg stated, "The ASPCA has convinced  me that the horses are  &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;treated humanely."  Why weren't you at that critical hearing in front  &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;of the cameras to correct him and to testify in support of a ban?  He  &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;could have vetoed the bill.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;2. The ASPCA did not show up to Council Member Avella's  press conference  &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;announcing the bill to ban horse-drawn carriages.  Why?  Because you  &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;were absent in the press at that critical moment, NYers were left with  &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;the impression that it was just a bunch of animal rights extremists  &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;who support of a ban.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;3. The ASPCA pulled out all the stops to preserve your &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;oversight of the carriage industry when a bill was being considered to take it away from you.   &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Why don't you put that energy into fighting for a ban?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;4. The ASPCA wasted hundreds of thousands of dollars of your donors'  &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;contributions on a lobbying firm that you ultimately fired instead of  &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;just using your board of directors, your influence in the City, celebrity &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;spokespeople and PR machine to publicly demand a ban. &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;5. The ASPCA has fostered an environment where carriage operators are  &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;comfortable defying your authority and the law.   What, if anything,  &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;are the consequences for them?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;6. The ASPCA allows the industry to state to the press that the ASPCA  &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;has never issued a cruelty summons.   Could that possibly be true?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;7. The ASPCA continues to give the public the impression that  &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;you're monitoring the industry and protecting the horses when, in  &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;fact, your presence is sporadic at best and your absence is palpable  &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;on weekends, when the horses are working the most.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="gmail_quote"&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;8. The ASPCA has publicly thanked Christine Quinn for pushing two  &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;marginal bills through the City Council at the expense of the carriage  &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;ban and other meaningful bills.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;9.  The ASPCA's board member, Cindy Adams, wrote a column in the NY Post in April, 2010 congratulating Speaker Christine Quinn and the ASPCA for the passage of the industry bill that would give the drivers a rate increase but precious little for the horses.  Why did the ASPCA not demand a retraction?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;On a final note, why is the ASPCA hosting a party in Palm Beach with  &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Georgina Bloomberg to "celebrate the ASPCA's recent efforts in  &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;protecting horses from abuse and neglect"  when  &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;you have done so little to help and so much to hurt the abused horses  &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;in your own backyard?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Donny Moss&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jWz6s6r5f4&amp;amp;sns=em" target="_blank"&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jWz6s6r5f4&amp;amp;sns=em&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;em&gt; &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-5291265380690227193?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/5291265380690227193/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7693697089040184548&amp;postID=5291265380690227193' title='10 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/5291265380690227193'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/5291265380690227193'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2011/02/open-letter-to-aspca-by-donny-moss.html' title='OPEN LETTER TO THE ASPCA by Donny Moss - director of Blinders:  The Truth Behind the Tradition'/><author><name>Elizabeth Forel</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/TUjI8GtTXMI/AAAAAAAAAh4/rOlt9-ryU3E/s72-c/1-Donny%2B1-27-11%2B.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>10</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-6943065421441215507</id><published>2010-11-24T14:09:00.003-05:00</published><updated>2010-11-24T14:15:23.407-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Pedicab'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='carriage horse rides; carriage rides central park; horse drawn carriage;  nyc tourism;'/><title type='text'>Pedicabs: The Humane Tour of Central Park!</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_S8-PvK_viRg/TO1jYQkqvNI/AAAAAAAAAAY/Wo2MugXNx-Q/s1600/PEDICAB.jpg"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5543195984779721938" style="FLOAT: left; MARGIN: 0px 10px 10px 0px; WIDTH: 320px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 244px" alt="" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_S8-PvK_viRg/TO1jYQkqvNI/AAAAAAAAAAY/Wo2MugXNx-Q/s320/PEDICAB.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;Taking a pedicab (rikshaw) through Central Park is not only the humane choice for all involved, but it is also a ~far~ superior way to get a tour of Central Park, and a much better value for your money than the cruel, overpriced carriage-horse rides, which are extremely limited to where they can travel in the park. The pedicabs have far more access into the most beautiful, romantic parts of the park. Walking through the park hand-in-hand with your loved one is my personal favorite, but riding in a pedicab is definitely a close second! Once you learn of the unbelievable cruelty &amp;amp; danger that the horses (and passengers) are exposed to, you simply cannot justify funding such animal abuse &amp;amp; exploitation.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Choose Compassion: Take a Pedicab Tour of Central Park.&lt;/strong&gt;     The horses who suffer every day and who are treated as slaves don't deserve to endure the inhumane lives they are forced into within the carriage horse industry.  Please help to END this shameful business in NYC by boycotting carriage-horse rides. &lt;strong&gt;Say NO to animal cruelty and Yes to the ethical alternative: Pedicabs--powered by humans who chose to do the job.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-6943065421441215507?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/6943065421441215507/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7693697089040184548&amp;postID=6943065421441215507' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/6943065421441215507'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/6943065421441215507'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2010/11/pedicabs-humane-tour-of-central-park.html' title='Pedicabs: The Humane Tour of Central Park!'/><author><name>Edita</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/16506179184757404461</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_S8-PvK_viRg/TO1jYQkqvNI/AAAAAAAAAAY/Wo2MugXNx-Q/s72-c/PEDICAB.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-2295179207109018753</id><published>2010-09-12T08:03:00.044-04:00</published><updated>2010-09-12T10:05:32.456-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='carriage horses; horse-drawn carriages; department of health; nyc tourism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='water troughts'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='carriage horse rides; carriage rides central park; horse drawn carriage;  nyc tourism;'/><title type='text'>WHOSE TROUGH IS IT ANYWAY?               the joys of being a NYC carriage horse</title><content type='html'>&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/TIzWV4eXFwI/AAAAAAAAAfk/Ks-vD4Bimwg/s1600/trough+washing+dishes+2.JPG"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/TIzX9SDRuRI/AAAAAAAAAfs/Zu8gjJuq4Oo/s1600/trough+washing+dishes+2.JPG"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/TIzNbKMUl4I/AAAAAAAAAe0/gZBs67LsGQ4/s1600/trough+with+garbage.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 10px 10px; WIDTH: 240px; FLOAT: right; HEIGHT: 320px; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5516009510098212738" border="0" alt="" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/TIzNbKMUl4I/AAAAAAAAAe0/gZBs67LsGQ4/s320/trough+with+garbage.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;...or... Would &lt;em&gt;you&lt;/em&gt; drink that water?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;New York City’s carriage horses toil most of the day in Central Park.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;During the warm months, they have access to two water troughs&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;- one just inside the park not far from Avenue of the Americas … the other closer to Fifth Avenue.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;The water is of questionable quality.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But even this questionable quality water is not available to the horses from October through March when it is turned off because the pipes freeze.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;The drivers are expected to carry buckets of water with them for their horse.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;Some do and some don’t.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;Who's checking. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Working horses need upwards of 20 gallons of water a day – particularly since they do not have access to grass.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;Do they get it?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;Only their owners know for sure – but we believe it is doubtful.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;When the horses go into the Times Square and Lincoln Center area later in the day and through &lt;/span&gt;the night, there are no water troughs available.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;So good luck to the horses…&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;"&gt;M&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;ost people who make their money off the back of an animal will ultimately come to exploit that animal … through lesser quality food; more work hours, cutting back on boarding costs – so they can have more money in their pocket.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;It is that nasty, greedy part of human nature that makes its appearance. That is apparent in the carriage trade in NYC.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;One can see the results of it - - horses with "one size fits all" ill fitting tack that is shared by other horses; horses that are pushed to work longer hours; horses with bad hooves; horses who look like they are not getting enough quality food. And these are just the things that we can observe. There is no telling how many need to have their teeth floated.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoAFn7dWwtE"&gt;This video shows&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; drivers trying to squeeze more time out of their horse even though it was above 90 degrees and they had been suspended for the day.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;Yelling &lt;strong&gt;“last call for a ride”&lt;/strong&gt; to make more money even though they should have been taking their horse back to the stable.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;So how can anyone with half a brain believe that the drivers &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;l o v e&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; their horses?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;Although, I guess love means different things to different people.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpRoj6iYnkY"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Intro 35A,&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; the bogus bill that was signed into law in April by Mayor Bloomberg, originally had a section that addressed the water issue.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;The City of New York would pay for the new piping&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;to make water available to the horses all year.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;None of us believed this ploy.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;If that section had been left in the bill, we knew the City would never address it because they have other priorities for their limited funds. They would have been subject to harsh criticism from the public – closing senior and day care centers to provide water to privately owned horses -- something that should have been paid for by the industry, which had just gotten a big rate increase.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;The City also wanted to avoid another law suit since they had recently lost one concerning a law passed in 2002 that required animal shelters in each borough.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;Seven&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;years later and there are still no full service shelters in Bronx or Queens.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;So the section about correcting the water troughs was quietly removed from the bill.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;     &lt;/span&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;This is NYC, tourists &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;- on the surface - bright lights, pretty stores, nice restaurants. Scratch that surface and you will see a draconian animal control system, which has a high kill rate for cats and dogs but pretends not to .... which slaughters resident Canada geese - thousands in Prospect Park ... and which is so mired in politics that horses have to suffer. But this is all behind closed doors. Remember what Gandhi said about cities and animals - "&lt;em&gt;the greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated."&lt;/em&gt; but who was he .... well only the man who was responsible for India's freedom from England. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;But back to the Horses.    &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;Would you drink their water? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;Horses are living organisms (as we are) with very sensitive digestive systems.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;The question to ask about the water available to the horses is if a person could drink it.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt; I wouldn't! &lt;/span&gt;&lt;img style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 10px 10px; WIDTH: 200px; FLOAT: right; HEIGHT: 188px; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5516006475286643682" border="0" alt="" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/TIzKqgo3A-I/AAAAAAAAAec/h4jJr8gCmzo/s200/0039+cropped.JPG" /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;According to Holly Cheever, DVM, from the documentary &lt;a href="http://www.blindersthemovie.com/"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Blinders: the Truth Behind the Tradition&lt;/strong&gt;, &lt;/a&gt;these filthy communal water troughs are a veterinarian’s nightmare since horses can easily spread disease from one to the other.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;At different times, we have spotted people using this water trough to bathe and to wash dishes. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Again -- would you drink this water? &lt;/strong&gt;No? Then why should the horses? &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;This is just more ammunition to back the argument for why this trade needs to come to an end.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;It is a disgrace to the city of New York to continue to hang on to this inherently inhumane industry.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;Tourists will not miss it. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/TIzYvgJ_COI/AAAAAAAAAf0/S-qjoUK7fzo/s1600/trough+washing+dishes+2.JPG"&gt;&lt;img style="MARGIN: 0px 10px 10px 0px; WIDTH: 200px; FLOAT: left; HEIGHT: 133px; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5516021954219280610" border="0" alt="" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/TIzYvgJ_COI/AAAAAAAAAf0/S-qjoUK7fzo/s200/trough+washing+dishes+2.JPG" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;A bill that is in the city council&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;- intro 86A – would create a new electric / green vintage car business that would provide great opportunities for the owners and drivers and retire the horses.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;But politics is preventing it from moving forward.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;Speaker Christine Quinn, who has ultimate power in the City Council, is opposed to it and she has strong ties to the carriage industry. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;If you think that that we are back in the days of Tammany Hall -- you would not be far off. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Boss Tweed would be proud. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br 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href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/2295179207109018753'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/2295179207109018753'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2010/09/whose-trough-is-it-anyway-joys-of-being.html' title='WHOSE TROUGH IS IT ANYWAY?               the joys of being a NYC carriage horse'/><author><name>Elizabeth Forel</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/TIzNbKMUl4I/AAAAAAAAAe0/gZBs67LsGQ4/s72-c/trough+with+garbage.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-7491514947209365486</id><published>2010-08-09T17:28:00.034-04:00</published><updated>2010-08-10T11:07:45.537-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='horse accidents'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='mayor Bloomberg'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='carriage horse'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='ny city council'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='accidents'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Central Park'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='horse spooking'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Intro 86'/><title type='text'>HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU????</title><content type='html'>&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 126px; height: 108px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/TGCzUnc1xaI/AAAAAAAAAd0/0fdpJWqnA-s/s400/block+head+lucy.jpg" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5503595911415448994" /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;A Spooked Horse can Kill! &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;When you were a kid, did your mother ever tell you that you had a “thick skull” because you did not&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;want to listen to her ...  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;or that you were "thick headed" because you just refused to follow her advice? &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  ... or maybe she just called you a blockhead.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;W&lt;/span&gt;ell that is what the NY City Council and Mayor are when it comes to comprehending a basic truth about carriage horses.  All they have to do is to remember a few words -- "prey animals", "fearful", "bolt", and "unwitting weapons" -- and understand their implication.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Horses are &lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;prey animals,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; which means that regardless of their large size, they are &lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;fearful&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; of real or imagined terrors.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;They are predictably unpredictable and when frightened, they will &lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;bolt&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; and run away, charging  into cars, people, trees – anything that is in their way – anything to escape.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;At 1,500 to 2,000 pounds, they become &lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;unwitting weapons &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;and you better get out of their way if you see them coming!&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;    &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;We have told our electeds about the problems with NYC's horses …. many, many  times. … but the political environment (special interests)  is just  too strong in good old NYC  so  this  dangerous and inhumane trade is&lt;img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 400px; height: 250px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/TGC4aegrK-I/AAAAAAAAAeE/P1avZENksf8/s400/alg_carriage-accident.jpg" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5503601509652966370" /&gt; allowed to  continue.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;Horse-drawn carriages are an accident waiting to happen – particularly in highly traffic congested New York City where these flimsy, slow moving carriages mix in with cars, taxis, buses, fire trucks, ambulances, bikers, police cars, pedicabs -- anything on wheels.   &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Horses have died – will a person be next?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;On July 4th weekend, a pair of horses spooked in a parade in Iowa and bolted, killing one woman and injuring 25 people.  On Monday, August 9th, the Austrian Press &lt;/span&gt;reported  a tragic accident in Hinterglemm, Salsburg where a horse spooked, bolted and trampled a 73-year-old French woman who was on vacation.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;She died on the way to the hospital.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;In the last couple of years, two five year old girls, with their lives barely begun, were the victims of a spooked carriage horse  -- one in a parade in Tucson, AZ  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;- the other in St. Petersburg, Russia.  Both were trampled to death.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;So it seems like the handwriting is on the wall as Mom use to say - or did she cite  Murphy's law that said if anything can go wrong, it will eventually?     &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;As for me, I say it is only a matter of time before there is a tragic accident involving a person - so isn't  it better to be safe than sorry?  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;There is a bill in the City Council - Intro 86 - which will create a new green industry of vintage hybrid/electric cars to take the place of horse-drawn carriages - providing jobs and investment opportunities for those displaced and mandating good homes and sanctuary for the horses.    &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;The bill is not going anyplace because the present  administration refuses to see the truth -- and because of politics.  And they wonder why people have lost faith in the system.... why so many  intelligent and thoughtful people do not vote any more.   This is why -- because Council Members are elected by their constituents and are ultimately accountable to those constituents  -- not the Council Speaker -- but tell them that once they get into office.    That's when they forget who they work for... &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;Send the article about this tragic accident in Austria to your Council Member and to Mayor Bloomberg.  Tell them it is about time that they got serious about people's safety and banned horse-drawn carriages in NYC.  This deadly accident happened in Salzburg, it can happen in NYC.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;Council - &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://council.nyc.gov/html/members/members.shtml"&gt;click here&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;Mayor - &lt;a href="http://www.nyc.gov/portal/site/nycgov/menuitem.bd08ee7c7c1ffec87c4b36d501c789a0/index.jsp?doc_name=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nyc.gov%2Fhtml%2Fmail%2Fhtml%2Fmayor.html"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;click here     &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;This is the sad article from Austria -- &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;Austria Independent - August 9, 2010&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://austrianindependent.com/news/General_News/2010-08-09/4073/Tourist_killed_by_bolting_horse"&gt;Tourist killed by bolting horse&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A French woman suffered fatal head and chest injuries when a bolting horse charged into her on Saturday, it has emerged.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Officials in Hinterglemm, Salzburg, said today (Mon) the 73-year-old – on holiday with her husband – died in an ambulance on its way to a nearby clinic after the dramatic incident.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Police said the 16-year-old Haflinger pulling a carriage driven by a local pensioner, 67, had bolted and galloped over the woman standing on the sidewalk watching the local customs procession.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is not known what caused the horse to start nor whether the uninjured animal will be put down over the accident.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This incident comes after a series of accidents involving Fiaker horse carriages in the federal capital Vienna.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A Fiaker driver had to be hospitalised after he was run over by his own carriage earlier this year. The man got off his parked vehicle when his two horses bolted. The animals, reportedly startled by a passing tram, trampled over the man before coming to a halt after a few metres.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;An unnamed horse carriage raced through the Viennese city centre in another incident after being stirred up by the sound of a skateboard. The driver gave chase in a colleague’s carriage. Two parked cars were damaged before the carriage was eventually halted after its one-kilometre ride.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Horse carriages are a popular feature of local processions and traditional events, while thousands of tourists take them for a ride through the picturesque city centres of Vienna and Salzburg every year.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt; &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt; &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-7491514947209365486?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/7491514947209365486/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7693697089040184548&amp;postID=7491514947209365486' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/7491514947209365486'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/7491514947209365486'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2010/08/how-many-times-do-i-have-to-tell-you.html' title='HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU????'/><author><name>Elizabeth Forel</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/TGCzUnc1xaI/AAAAAAAAAd0/0fdpJWqnA-s/s72-c/block+head+lucy.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-3772489822293364748</id><published>2010-07-07T18:25:00.014-04:00</published><updated>2010-07-08T12:00:35.572-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='ASPCA'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='carriage horses'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='NYC heat wave'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Central Park'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='laws'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='NYC tourism'/><title type='text'>THE LAW, THE CARRIAGE HORSES AND THE ASPCA – and why we need change</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/TDXxJmoTrTI/AAAAAAAAAdA/jlnRlh_AJsM/s1600/horse+chains+4.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float: left; 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&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Horses Suffer &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;Greatly in the Heat.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Thursday, July 8, 2010&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;For the second day in a row, NYC passed the 100 degree mark … 101 degrees Wednesday … 103 Tuesday.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The heat wave, which has settled over the east coast, began this past weekend with temperatures climbing into the high 90s.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Above average temperatures are expected to continue through the end of the week.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;This was no secret. Everyone knew.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;So what happens to the carriage horses during a heat wave – in NYC and Philadelphia, for example?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;In NYC The governing law, which is part of Title 17-Health – NYC Administrative Code states that &lt;i style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;“carriage horses shall not be worked whenever the air temperature is 90 degrees Fahrenheit or above.”&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;There is no consideration for humidity.&lt;span style=""&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;The official air temperature is actually taken at the hack line by an ASPCA Humane Law Enforcement officer (HLE)&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;using a special thermometer.  It is not from CNN, weather.com or NY1.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;However, there are several problems with this law,  but the most inhumane is this:&lt;span style=""&gt;    &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;The law allows the drivers to begin work at 10:00 AM, leaving from their stable about ½ hour before.&lt;span style=""&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;If it is expected to be over 90 degrees on a particular day, the drivers are allowed to work, until it reaches that temperature – probably for only a few hours.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;When there is no business, the horses just stand on the asphalt wearing metal shoes, under the hot sun where there is no shade.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;But as soon as it reaches 90, if the HLE officers are at the hack line, the driver is told to take his horse and carriage back to the stables, over scorching hot asphalt, under the blazing sun.&lt;span style=""&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;The stables are between 1 ½ and 2 ½ miles away.  It is a thoroughly unnecessary and debilitating trip that could have been avoided if the  ASPCA had not allowed them out in the first place.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;The ASPCA has it in their power, as one of the oldest humane societies and as the enforcer of humane laws&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;in New York State, to &lt;b&gt;totally suspend the trade when conditions are dangerous for the horses.&lt;/b&gt;   Horses can suffer from heat prostration and heat stroke.  In 1988, a particularly bad year, three NYC carriage horses succumbed to heat prostration and died,  embarrassing NYC and tarnishing the industry.  &lt;a href="http://www.banhdc.org/ch-acc.shtml"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Click here&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; for more information.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Philadelphia suspended their carriage trade both yesterday and today.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;They did the smart thing.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/20100706_Heat_gives_Old_City_carriage_horses_a_day_off.html"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Click here&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; to read the story.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;But Not So the ASPCA&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;I sent two private e-mails to the head of the Humane Law Division&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;- dated July 4&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; and July 5&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; -  asking the ASPCA to suspend the carriage business during this heat wave.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;An e-mail from  the SVP of Humane Law, not intended for me, was intercepted – i.e. she sent it to me by mistake.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"&gt;She told her minions to ignore me … that I “misconstrue.”&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;How is that for arrogance?   They  listen to no one and assume that no one knows as much as they do.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;My letter pointed out that if the drivers are allowed to go out in the morning, knowing that in only a few hours, the temperature will be above 90 degrees, the horses will need to make that journey back to their stables  over scorching asphalt under the blazing sun, hotter than when they first came out.  While at the hack line and later walking, they will be standing on asphalt that may be as much as 200 degrees Fahrenheit (as reported in the New York Times 7/28/89) and their micro environment may be 45 degrees higher than the ambient temperature, according to a Cornell study from the mid 1980s.   Add that to a lack of shade on the hack line and the horses suffer.    &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On both days, the ASPCA officers stated&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;that they were out in the park taking the temperature to see if the horses would be allowed out.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;They had to know it would be blazing hot these two days – but&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;unlike Philadelphia, they allowed the drivers the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;opportunity &lt;/span&gt;to get an hour or two in working.&lt;span style=""&gt;    &lt;/span&gt;I have been told that the horses did not go out on either day because the temperature reached 90 degrees early … but the possibility was there because they did not suspend it in its  entirety.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;The&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;driving force behind the ASPCA seems to be to follow the letter of the law – do what is right for the A so the owners will not sue them –&lt;b&gt;not what is right for the horses.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;This is what this same SVP said to someone who complained to them:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"We can and are suspending whenever the temperature is above the legal limit.  We are also monitoring to help ensure horses aren't out during these periods."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p style="font-weight: bold;" class="MsoNormal"&gt;Well how about totally suspending the business for these two days?  &lt;span style=""&gt; How about doing what Philadelphia had the foresight to do? How about putting the horses first!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-weight: bold;" class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;On second thought, the  “letter of the law”&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;may not be exactly right.   Rather it  may instead be that the ASPCA&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;interprets&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;the law in such a way to make it easier for the drivers to work their horses. For example, according to the law, horse-drawn carriages are not allowed to  &lt;span&gt;be&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; “driven or operated”&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;in the Times Square area  before 11:30 PM from Monday through Saturday and not before 7:00 PM on Sunday.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Period.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;No exceptions.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The law is very clear on this.  This is the area south of 57&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; St., north of 42&lt;sup&gt;nd&lt;/sup&gt; St., and between 7&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; and 9&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; Avenue.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://banhdc.org/archives/ch-existleg-nyc20-3.html"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Click here&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; for the law.  &lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;The ASPCA representatives have told me that the drivers are only restricted from going into this area &lt;span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"&gt;if they are working.  But if they have no passengers, it is OK.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;WRONG!&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is not what the law says.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The intent of this law was to keep the carriages out of an extremely  congested area until there is less traffic  - after 11:30 or 7:00 on  Sundays.  Times Square does not provide a direct route back to the stable – not by a long shot.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Any driver in this area when they are not supposed to be is looking for a passenger.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;So why does the ASPCA interpret this law liberally and incorrectly on the side of the industry?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Why do they not take a stand and suspend the industry during a brutal heat wave?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Why was the ASPCA not represented at the Mayor’s bill signing of Intro 35, the industry bill, making it appear that they were in favor of this bad bill even though they claimed they weren't?    &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Why, Why, Why ….. only the shadow knows.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="font-style: italic;" class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Note:  I really would prefer not to criticize the ASPCA publicly, but I am compelled to do so for the horses ... to let New Yorkers know a little about what really goes on.  Someone has to speak for these exploited horses.  Any organization that has that much misused power must be challenged to do the right thing.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;for more information about horses and heat read this article &lt;a href="http://banhdc.org/archives/ch-exp-heat.html"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Heat Stress:  Too Hot to Trot&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; by Jennifer Nadeau.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Elizabeth Forel&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Coalition to Ban Horse-Drawn Carriages&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;banhdc.org&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-3772489822293364748?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/3772489822293364748/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7693697089040184548&amp;postID=3772489822293364748' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/3772489822293364748'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/3772489822293364748'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2010/07/law-carriage-horses-and-aspca-and-why.html' title='THE LAW, THE CARRIAGE HORSES AND THE ASPCA – and why we need change'/><author><name>Elizabeth Forel</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/TDXxJmoTrTI/AAAAAAAAAdA/jlnRlh_AJsM/s72-c/horse+chains+4.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-5505933900548434364</id><published>2010-06-06T07:26:00.020-04:00</published><updated>2010-06-06T08:30:17.621-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='nyc carriage horses'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='carriage horses; Rome tourism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Botticelle'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='institutionalized cruelty'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='dead horse'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='carriage horse stables'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='horse stalls'/><title type='text'>ROME:  BASTION OF CULTURE with cruelty behind the scenes</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/TAuOjqPdxeI/AAAAAAAAAbo/fdN9oI-INQI/s1600/stable+interior.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float: right; margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; cursor: pointer; width: 336px; height: 252px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/TAuOjqPdxeI/AAAAAAAAAbo/fdN9oI-INQI/s400/stable+interior.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5479630114912060898" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Horse-drawn carriages  in Rome are a common site.  Called by the pretty name "Botticelle" - this trade is anything but.  They are a vile group that does not obey the weak laws and like in many other cities, they almost  get away with murder.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We recently received these photos of the interior of one of the stables.  While NYC stables are bad, in comparison they look like the  St. Regis.  The only good thing is that the stalls appear to be on the first floor.  The stall is very narrow and make shift.  It is a  fire trap ... and it is filthy.  There is  no turnout.  It is hell in Rome for horses.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Also included here are pictures of the typical hack line where the drivers pick up tourists, a frightened horse; a driver using his cell phone .... in NYC, automobile drivers are not allowed to use a cell phone -- carriage drivers are exempt because they are not required to have a NYS drivers' license; a horse foaming at the mouth; typical tack on the horse; and the horrible accident in November 2008 in which Birillo was killed and left on the pavement for several hours.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;TOURISTS:&lt;/span&gt;  if you go to Rome, please spend your time going to its wonderful museums, restaurants, shopping, touring the city and its historical ruins, etc. etc. etc.  &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;But PLEASE do not take a carriage ride. &lt;/span&gt; If you do, you  will be supporting cruelty.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/TAuO-fgt1UI/AAAAAAAAAbw/FjyGjZCLc6I/s1600/stable+interior+4.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float: left; 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margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; cursor: pointer; width: 338px; height: 253px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/TAuQ0x_HapI/AAAAAAAAAcY/LGznci3f_C0/s400/spooked+horse.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5479632608072002194" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/TAuRC1_Fl4I/AAAAAAAAAcg/WwLDRbUb4HU/s1600/drivers.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float: right; margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; cursor: pointer; width: 303px; height: 227px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/TAuRC1_Fl4I/AAAAAAAAAcg/WwLDRbUb4HU/s400/drivers.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5479632849663793026" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/TAuRVuxbcOI/AAAAAAAAAco/hooFNLBZNUg/s1600/foaming+mouth.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; cursor: pointer; width: 339px; height: 253px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/TAuRVuxbcOI/AAAAAAAAAco/hooFNLBZNUg/s400/foaming+mouth.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5479633174144970978" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/TAuRqTBzj5I/AAAAAAAAAcw/YzmN7nBj0cg/s1600/carriage+horse.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float: right; margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; cursor: pointer; width: 253px; height: 338px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/TAuRqTBzj5I/AAAAAAAAAcw/YzmN7nBj0cg/s400/carriage+horse.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5479633527474720658" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/TAuR3K1DrjI/AAAAAAAAAc4/lmPmHnzK1yg/s1600/dead+horse.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; cursor: pointer; width: 400px; height: 267px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/TAuR3K1DrjI/AAAAAAAAAc4/lmPmHnzK1yg/s400/dead+horse.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5479633748612066866" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-5505933900548434364?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/5505933900548434364/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7693697089040184548&amp;postID=5505933900548434364' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/5505933900548434364'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/5505933900548434364'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2010/06/rome-bastion-of-culture-with-cruelty.html' title='ROME:  BASTION OF CULTURE with cruelty behind the scenes'/><author><name>Elizabeth Forel</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/TAuOjqPdxeI/AAAAAAAAAbo/fdN9oI-INQI/s72-c/stable+interior.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-8533206676572783037</id><published>2010-05-22T09:43:00.006-04:00</published><updated>2010-05-22T13:56:03.931-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Shamrock Stables'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='carriage horses'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Central Park; corporate welfare'/><title type='text'>SHAMROCK STABLES MUST NOT BE SUBSIDIZED</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/S_gZMnjFLmI/AAAAAAAAAaU/ytSlBSYh_vI/s1600/shamrock+stable.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float: right; margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; cursor: pointer; width: 323px; height: 215px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/S_gZMnjFLmI/AAAAAAAAAaU/ytSlBSYh_vI/s400/shamrock+stable.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5474153051634085474" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;The taxpayers of this city have been fed a load of horse-manure by industry supporters like Bloomberg (the great manipulator of facts), Quinn (his right hand man) and Gennaro, (the City Council puppet) who introduced a joke of a bill that did NOTHING to help horses, while they all had the chutzpah to say it contained "improvements" for horses. But we all understand "doublespeak" after 8 years of Bush, so they're not pulling the wool over anyone's eyes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Their backroom deals (remember term limits??? the hushed-up investigation of Quinn's slush fund???) stink more than the horse-manure, if that were possible. Imagine, that Shamrock Stables has been paying $5,000/mo to rent the City-owned building, for their stables, while New Yorkers are paying that much for a tiny cubby hole of an apartment, (another give-away to the NY Real Estate Industry), and while there are thousands of people living in homeless shelters, on the streets and in sub-standard housing. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;It is outrageous to think that hard working NY'ers have been subsidizing this abusive and disgusting industry all these years and now they expect us to foot the bill again, when they come pleading poverty, after getting a sweetheart deal from the City Council puppets, that allow them to charge $50/20 min ride, to all the dumb tourists that still consider animal abuse fun! I'm about to take out my violin!!!&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let's all pass the hat for these "poor" fellows, these heartless abusers, who have been ripping off the public for years! Who do they think they're fooling!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-8533206676572783037?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/8533206676572783037/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7693697089040184548&amp;postID=8533206676572783037' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/8533206676572783037'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/8533206676572783037'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2010/05/shamrock-stables.html' title='SHAMROCK STABLES MUST NOT BE SUBSIDIZED'/><author><name>Zizi</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15506488868608815565</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/S_gZMnjFLmI/AAAAAAAAAaU/ytSlBSYh_vI/s72-c/shamrock+stable.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-3616892153407937629</id><published>2010-04-17T06:27:00.030-04:00</published><updated>2010-04-17T08:03:32.292-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='nyc carriage horses'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Christine Quinn'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='legislation'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='James Gennaro'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Central Park'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='City Council'/><title type='text'>MIRACLE ON THE HACK LINE or What I did on my Summer Vacation ... or NYC  carriage horses to be treated slightly better.</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/S8mZ2ZEXFOI/AAAAAAAAAZM/6X4w3LRDT2s/s1600/empty+water+trough.JPG"&gt;&lt;img style="float: right; margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; cursor: pointer; width: 248px; height: 186px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/S8mZ2ZEXFOI/AAAAAAAAAZM/6X4w3LRDT2s/s400/empty+water+trough.JPG" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5461065182884599010" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;3/14/10 - New York City carriage horses won a great victory today when it was decided that they would each receive one square inch more in their stalls. Hardly believing the good news, the excited horses neighed and whinnied -- some letting lose a barrage of poop, which unfortunately missed the diaper tied to their rear, landing on a park road right in front of a runner who quickly stepped out of the way.   The cyclist behind him was not so lucky. They would have peed, but there had been no water for them in the troughs, which had been turned off.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;However the big drafts grumbled at the injustice complaining they will still not be able to stretch out fully, cramping their legs. &lt;i&gt;"Damn" &lt;/i&gt;said one, &lt;i&gt;"This is an injustice. Who can I complain to? WTF - Do they think we are ponies or something? I'm tired of standing up to take a damn snooze."&lt;/i&gt; Some thought about reaching out to the Teamsters to see if they would take their case and initiate some collective bargaining.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;  &lt;!--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]--&gt;  &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;Bruno, a horse from the WS Livery, asked Roger if he was happy about the bigger stalls planned for his stable. &lt;i&gt;“Common, Bruno, don’t be naive." &lt;/i&gt;whinnied Roger.&lt;i&gt; You know that most of the stalls were small boxes anyways. This is not a hardship for the owners. They will never give us what we really need to be comfortable."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/S8mfz_bmDfI/AAAAAAAAAZs/gfs89yN95kA/s1600/water+buckets.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float: right; margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; cursor: pointer; width: 256px; height: 193px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/S8mfz_bmDfI/AAAAAAAAAZs/gfs89yN95kA/s400/water+buckets.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5461071738712755698" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;i&gt;“Wow, small box stalls ... sweet ” &lt;/i&gt;countered Bruno. &lt;i&gt;“Oy Vey! You should see the sh-t hole we live in – if &lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;you can call it living. Oh wait, you can, by &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://banhdc.org/ch-investigation.shtml"&gt;clicking here&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;/span&gt;You have access to Youtube, don’t you Rog? Yeah - I suppose they can move walls around to make bigger stalls but the place will always be a hell &lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;hole.  You should see the fire protection system we have -- sand buckets!  I hear they took out the requirement for mandated sprinklers from the bill.  That really sucks."  &lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/S8mgDB2it_I/AAAAAAAAAZ0/TYRT4ZOJg2A/s1600/WSL+stall+8.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; cursor: pointer; width: 286px; height: 215px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/S8mgDB2it_I/AAAAAAAAAZ0/TYRT4ZOJg2A/s400/WSL+stall+8.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5461071997060691954" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;But  not to worry, the bill thought of almost everything. As a reward for slaving 9 hours a day, 7 days a week, the horses will be rewarded with a 5-week vacation - weeks not to be taken concurrently. It was thought that the horses might get too used to relaxing and refuse to come back if one week extended into two or more. Most of the horses are so worn out by the time they take a "vacation" that they are in a catatonic state for the first 3-4 days, only beginning to enjoy themselves by the time they are ready to be brought back to their cells to begin the grind all over again.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;The horses asked for daily turnout, but the City refused saying that they would prefer to build another stable rather than to give the land up to pasture. &lt;i&gt;"Suck it up" &lt;/i&gt;said Speaker Chess Quibly and &lt;i&gt;"stop complaining. " Just remember that I can still make you disappear sin&lt;/i&gt;ce &lt;i&gt;I did not change &lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;that&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/b&gt;section of law. Remember I know where Canada and Mexico are,"&lt;/i&gt; she sneered. &lt;i&gt;"And don't even think about the Teamsters -- or I will get you my pretties. Besides, they have their hands full pretending this trade is really a union. Don't confuse the issue. Besides, how could you even pay? in hay? I don't think so. LOL"&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But not to be outdone since he was, after all, the bill’s sponsor, Council Member Gene Roe spat out - &lt;i&gt;"Turn out, turn out?!! You don't need no stinkin' turnout! You still don't get it, do you. It's not about you, you selfish steed. It was never about you. It's about your [slave] driver - he needs more money ... if for nothing else then to line my pockets. Keep this up and I will report your kind to the City Clerk for illegal lobbying." &lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Some of the horses gave in and were planning on which set of swim trunks to bring on vacation and hoping there would be a big enough swimming pool. &lt;i&gt;"Gee, i hope these horizontal stripes on my trunks don't make me look fat" said a plump Percheron --" I haven't worn them in a year." &lt;/i&gt;Others began to brush up on their tennis. &lt;i&gt;"don't forget to bring sun screen"&lt;/i&gt; said a dapple gray - &lt;i&gt;"there may not be any shade. And you know how we have to work in NYC when it is reeeeeally hot and humid. I hope they give us spending money for water.” &lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/S8mb_KoPJTI/AAAAAAAAAZk/MWdX6bBaizg/s1600/accident+waiting+to+happen.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; cursor: pointer; width: 290px; height: 217px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/S8mb_KoPJTI/AAAAAAAAAZk/MWdX6bBaizg/s400/accident+waiting+to+happen.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5461067532650620210" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Many of the horses were very disappointed when they learned that the Department of Health decided not to pursue changes to existing regulations, introduced in January. Pressure from Quibly, they heard, who wanted all the glory. They were particularly upset with the elimination of the section entitled&lt;b&gt; "Drivers Behaving Badly" &lt;/b&gt;-- a section that they had anonymously submitted to the Department of Health Commissioner. &lt;i&gt;"It is embarrassing to have your driver reading a comic book, playing video games or talking to his bookie on the phone when we are trying to work"&lt;/i&gt; said one of the horses. &lt;i&gt;"They never pay attention. And when they push me into making a u-turn on Central Park South, I just hope that the jerk driving me gets a ticket before he gets me into an accident. The next time this creep stands up in the driving seat while working, pretending to be king of the road, I will jerk him so he falls back on his ass. Hee Hee&lt;/i&gt;. &lt;i&gt;He'll think it was a bump in the road. "&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;The horses also tried to get a weight limit on the customers being pulled in their carriage, but it was considered discrimination. &lt;i&gt;"Take it up with Jimmy Hoffa,"&lt;/i&gt; snorted one of the drivers. &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"If you can find him." &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/S8mbvLMdLzI/AAAAAAAAAZc/gIFKnKGSBqs/s1600/central+park+pigeons.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; cursor: pointer; width: 279px; height: 208px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/S8mbvLMdLzI/AAAAAAAAAZc/gIFKnKGSBqs/s400/central+park+pigeons.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5461067257924628274" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Still, it is better than nothing, all the horses agreed - even if it was just to raise the rates for the drivers. &lt;i&gt;"I hope we at least get fresh carrots out of this," &lt;/i&gt;said one ...&lt;i&gt;"and maybe some oats without pigeon droppings would be nice. I'm tired of getting limp carrots only when a potential mark comes by. I also wish they would do something about turning on the water troughs in Central Park in the winter."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;i&gt;"Too expensive to add year round piping" &lt;/i&gt;said CM Gene Roe. &lt;i&gt;"As I said, any extra money comes my way,MY WAY, dummy. Besides, you do not need water" &lt;/i&gt;he said - &lt;i&gt;"you pee too much as it is. Keep this up and I will personally buy you a ticket to Canada." &lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Roger, a handsome steed, told his stable mates- &lt;i&gt;"keep the faith, my horsey friends. We have never had so much attention showered on us.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;i&gt;There has never been a time in the history of this business that so many people have been fighting to free us from bondage. This is just a temporary setback. I feel it in my withers. &lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;It is only a matter of time, my equine buddies, only a matter of time.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;i&gt;In the meantime, have an apple. They're Fujis."&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;i&gt;##&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;Roger suggests trotting over to &lt;a href="http://banhdc.org/"&gt;&lt;b&gt;http://banhdc.org/ &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;for more information. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:12pt;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-3616892153407937629?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/3616892153407937629/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7693697089040184548&amp;postID=3616892153407937629' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/3616892153407937629'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/3616892153407937629'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2010/04/miracle-on-hack-line-or-what-i-did-on.html' title='MIRACLE ON THE HACK LINE or What I did on my Summer Vacation ... or NYC  carriage horses to be treated slightly better.'/><author><name>Elizabeth Forel</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/S8mZ2ZEXFOI/AAAAAAAAAZM/6X4w3LRDT2s/s72-c/empty+water+trough.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-5290850476644414783</id><published>2010-04-02T17:21:00.012-04:00</published><updated>2010-04-03T09:02:37.901-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='carriage horses'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='horse-drawn carriages'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Central Park'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='City Council'/><title type='text'>CARRIAGE DRIVERS:  "BUT WE LOVE OUR HORSES...."</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/S7c5Y3chpgI/AAAAAAAAAZE/mPvnOYp3Sk8/s1600/horse+passing+empty+trough.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; cursor: pointer; width: 261px; height: 348px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/S7c5Y3chpgI/AAAAAAAAAZE/mPvnOYp3Sk8/s400/horse+passing+empty+trough.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5455892572945884674" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sure they do.  To many of the  drivers, the horses are just dumb animals who do their bidding.  They don't interact with them except to give them commands. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;These horses are dispirited because they've been broken. There is no love and there is no respect.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If they truly loved their horses, they would not subject them to the wear and tear of working in a congested city, breathing in car exhaust  and living in the multi-storied stables in stalls that are too small.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is an excerpt from a blog called &lt;a href="http://mamaact.blogspot.com/2010/03/blush-off-rose.html"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Mama Act &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;where the writer is describing her recent walk along Central Park South where the carriage drivers wait for customers.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"I'm walking by and they're all hanging out, some in grungy top hats.  Some in baseball caps. Chatting and waiting. When all of a sudden one of  the horses kicks over his feed pail, spilling a decent amount, but  certainly not the whole bucket, on the street.  And the driver grabs the  bucket and yells, "F--- you, you f---ing idiot!" He yells this at the  HORSE. And something in the way he yelled it was kind of dark. More like  a wife-beater than a business partner. Reflexive and violent.  And it  just kinda made me wonder...&lt;/span&gt;"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is nothing new.  I've had similar experiences.  Once I witnessed a driver scream angrily at his horse because she was hitting one hoof against the pavement in boredom.  He grabbed her bridle and yanked her head, obviously causing her great discomfort.  He used the same type of expletives  but with specific nasty words one would use toward a disrespected female.    Yes this is one classy group.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I've also see drivers punch their horses in the nose, which is a very sensitive part of their body.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A few years back, I was sitting on a bench in Central Park near one of the filthy water troughs, which are empty half of the year.  A carriage came by and the driver stopped to let his horse drink.  It was a very hot day.   After a few gulps, he pulled her head back,  away from the water and turned to his passengers saying &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"I'll show her who's boss."  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;Yeah&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;  - big macho man.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yes, this is the group of people who "love their horses"   -- the group that certain members of the City Council want to keep in business shaming the city.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-5290850476644414783?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/5290850476644414783/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7693697089040184548&amp;postID=5290850476644414783' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/5290850476644414783'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/5290850476644414783'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2010/04/carriage-drivers-but-we-love-our-horses.html' title='CARRIAGE DRIVERS:  &quot;BUT WE LOVE OUR HORSES....&quot;'/><author><name>Elizabeth Forel</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/S7c5Y3chpgI/AAAAAAAAAZE/mPvnOYp3Sk8/s72-c/horse+passing+empty+trough.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-8992756540827569748</id><published>2010-03-30T06:36:00.002-04:00</published><updated>2010-03-30T06:39:40.219-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='teamsters'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='carriage horses'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='ny city council'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='ban horse drawn carriages'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='classic cars'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Intro 86'/><title type='text'>KARMA - NYC STYLE</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/S7HUlHhDYZI/AAAAAAAAANE/w-Z2hwQoS0o/s1600/karma_police.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float: left; margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; cursor: pointer; width: 223px; height: 232px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/S7HUlHhDYZI/AAAAAAAAANE/w-Z2hwQoS0o/s320/karma_police.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5454374357860311442" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;meta equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"&gt;&lt;meta name="ProgId" content="Word.Document"&gt;&lt;meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 9"&gt;&lt;meta name="Originator" content="Microsoft Word 9"&gt;&lt;link rel="File-List" href="file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/ELIZAB%7E1/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msoclip1/01/clip_filelist.xml"&gt;&lt;!--[if gte mso 9]&gt;&lt;xml&gt;  &lt;w:worddocument&gt;   &lt;w:view&gt;Normal&lt;/w:View&gt;   &lt;w:zoom&gt;0&lt;/w:Zoom&gt;   &lt;w:donotoptimizeforbrowser/&gt;  &lt;/w:WordDocument&gt; &lt;/xml&gt;&lt;![endif]--&gt;&lt;style&gt; &lt;!--  /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal 	{mso-style-parent:""; 	margin:0in; 	margin-bottom:.0001pt; 	mso-pagination:widow-orphan; 	font-size:11.0pt; 	mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt; 	font-family:Arial; 	mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; 	mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";} @page Section1 	{size:8.5in 11.0in; 	margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in; 	mso-header-margin:.5in; 	mso-footer-margin:.5in; 	mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 	{page:Section1;} --&gt; &lt;/style&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Hey all. Ollie here. I’ve been thinking a lot about Karma after looking at a video of the recent City Council hearings on several bills that would affect the carriage industry.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:&amp;quot;;font-size:12pt;"  &gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;meta equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;!--[if gte mso 9]&gt;&lt;xml&gt;  &lt;u2:worddocument&gt;   &lt;u2:view&gt;Normal    &lt;u2:zoom&gt;0     &lt;u2:donotoptimizeforbrowser/&gt;    &lt;/u2:zoom&gt;   &lt;/u2:view&gt;  &lt;/u2:worddocument&gt; &lt;/xml&gt;&lt;![endif]--&gt;Karma &lt;/b&gt;– or “what goes around comes around” is an interesting concept. In Eastern religions, the effects of all deeds are viewed as actively shaping past, present and future experiences.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" face="arial"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" face="arial"&gt;&lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;The NYC carriage drivers are very upset that there has been a movement to ban their industry and have engaged the services of the Teamsters Union to influence the City Council. They do not actually have a "union shop" since it includes owners and drivers and only about 1/3 of the people in their business. It is more for the appearance and to put pressure on the City Council.They admitted they did it because they were "under attack" by the groups that wanted a ban of their industry.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" face="arial"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" face="arial"&gt;&lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;The owners cry about losing jobs and not having a raise in over 20 years – how everyone is picking on them. They are the good guys and everyone else is bad.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" face="arial"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" face="arial"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" face="arial"&gt;&lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;But hold on here.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt; Let's get the facts. Let's review recent history. How does Karma have anything to do with the carriage industry and what is happening now? &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" face="arial"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" face="arial"&gt;In the fall of 2005, Tom McMahon, carriage horse lobbyist&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" face="arial"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" face="arial"&gt;-&lt;i&gt;- and husband of Linda Gibbs, Deputy Mayor of Health and Human Services, &lt;/i&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;-- which oversees the Department of Heath and Mental Hygiene,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" face="arial"&gt;&lt;i&gt;-- which in turn oversees the carriage horse industry, &lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;(that sure sounds cozy)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" face="arial"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;put through a bill in the City Council that would &lt;b&gt;BAN THE PEDICAB INDUSTRY&lt;/b&gt;. Yes, you heard right.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;They wanted to kill off the pesky but burgeoning pedicab industry because they were stealing their territory and customers. It did not matter to them that many people would lose their jobs as long as it was not them. Fortunately, the bill did not go anywhere when Council members began to remove their names.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;So now the shoe is on the other foot; the chickens have come home to roost and what goes around comes around. Yes, you do reap what you sow and you also get a taste of your own medicine.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" face="arial"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" face="arial"&gt;&lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;But the carriage industry is lucky in a sense. A new business has been offered to them on a silver platter for the taking ... classic replica hybrid touring cars ... being proposed to phase out the horse-drawn carriages. The driver/owners are very opposed to it.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" face="arial"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" face="arial"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" face="arial"&gt;&lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;Since the industry has probably seen its hay day and will begin to unravel in a few years with the development of the far west side (Hudson yards project) – it is curious that these owners are so opposed to this offer, depriving their own workers an opportunity to make a better living. The jobs will be union, pay more and offer benefits. They say that it does not exist elsewhere; that the person behind the proposal is out to get their land; that they are horse people and will never give up. "Bring it on" they say.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" face="arial"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" face="arial"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" face="arial"&gt;This is all very unfortunate and just confirms that the thinking behind this industry is not very innovative or creative. Maybe the "exact" business does not exist elsewhere, but similar ones do. Besides, why can't NYC be number one? Rome is also considering vintage cars to replace the horses and their proposals are independent of the NYC's.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" face="arial"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" face="arial"&gt;  &lt;!--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]--&gt;  &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;But money talks and maybe the pot is just not sweet enough. Maybe the owners want a financial interest in this new business to make it worth their while. Maybe the negotiations need to continue because this issue is not going away ... even if the City Council is dumb enough to pass Intro 35.      &lt;/span&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-8992756540827569748?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/8992756540827569748/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7693697089040184548&amp;postID=8992756540827569748' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/8992756540827569748'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/8992756540827569748'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2010/03/karma-nyc-style_30.html' title='KARMA - NYC STYLE'/><author><name>Oliver</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/S7HUlHhDYZI/AAAAAAAAANE/w-Z2hwQoS0o/s72-c/karma_police.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-4327313096716317171</id><published>2010-03-24T17:46:00.010-04:00</published><updated>2010-03-24T18:12:53.660-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='carriage horses'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='carriage horse rides; carriage rides central park; horse drawn carriage;  nyc tourism;'/><title type='text'>Gothamist Poll:   Eliminate  Horse-Carriage Industry All Together.</title><content type='html'>&lt;meta equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"&gt;&lt;meta name="ProgId" content="Word.Document"&gt;&lt;meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 9"&gt;&lt;meta name="Originator" content="Microsoft Word 9"&gt;&lt;link rel="File-List" href="file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/ELIZAB%7E1/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msoclip1/01/clip_filelist.xml"&gt;&lt;link rel="Edit-Time-Data" href="file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/ELIZAB%7E1/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msoclip1/01/clip_editdata.mso"&gt;&lt;!--[if !mso]&gt; &lt;style&gt; v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} &lt;/style&gt; &lt;![endif]--&gt;&lt;!--[if gte mso 9]&gt;&lt;xml&gt;  &lt;w:worddocument&gt;   &lt;w:view&gt;Normal&lt;/w:View&gt;   &lt;w:zoom&gt;0&lt;/w:Zoom&gt;   &lt;w:donotoptimizeforbrowser/&gt;  &lt;/w:WordDocument&gt; &lt;/xml&gt;&lt;![endif]--&gt;&lt;style&gt; &lt;!--  /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal 	{mso-style-parent:""; 	margin:0in; 	margin-bottom:.0001pt; 	mso-pagination:widow-orphan; 	font-size:11.0pt; 	mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt; 	font-family:Arial; 	mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; 	mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";} h1 	{margin-right:0in; 	mso-margin-top-alt:auto; 	mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; 	margin-left:0in; 	mso-pagination:widow-orphan; 	mso-outline-level:1; 	font-size:24.0pt; 	font-family:"Times New Roman"; 	mso-font-kerning:18.0pt; 	font-weight:bold;} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink 	{color:blue; 	text-decoration:underline; 	text-underline:single;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed 	{color:purple; 	text-decoration:underline; 	text-underline:single;} p 	{margin-right:0in; 	mso-margin-top-alt:auto; 	mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; 	margin-left:0in; 	mso-pagination:widow-orphan; 	font-size:12.0pt; 	font-family:"Times New Roman"; 	mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} span.mt-enclosuremt-enclosure-image 	{mso-style-name:"mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image";} span.photocaption 	{mso-style-name:photo_caption;} span.pds-answer-text 	{mso-style-name:pds-answer-text;} span.pds-feedback-per 	{mso-style-name:pds-feedback-per;} span.pds-feedback-votes 	{mso-style-name:pds-feedback-votes;} span.pds-links-back 	{mso-style-name:pds-links-back;} @page Section1 	{size:8.5in 11.0in; 	margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in; 	mso-header-margin:.5in; 	mso-footer-margin:.5in; 	mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 	{page:Section1;} --&gt; &lt;/style&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="mt-enclosuremt-enclosure-image"&gt;The &lt;a href="http://gothamist.com/2010/03/13/changes_proposed_for_carriage_horse.php"&gt;Gothamist,&lt;/a&gt; an online publication, recently ran a poll concerning NYC carriage horses.   The poll is now closed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="mt-enclosuremt-enclosure-image"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="mt-enclosuremt-enclosure-image"&gt;The question posed is listed below followed by the choices and the number of votes cast for each.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="mt-enclosuremt-enclosure-image"&gt;A total of 871 votes were cast.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="mt-enclosuremt-enclosure-image"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="text-align: center;" class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;How should the carriage horse industry be transformed?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color:red;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p style="text-align: center;" class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="pds-answer-text"&gt;Only allow horse-drawn carriage rides in Central Park.&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span class="pds-feedback-per"&gt;10% &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="pds-feedback-votes"&gt;(87 votes)   &lt;/span&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="text-align: center;" class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="pds-answer-text"&gt;Replace horses with antique fuel-efficient electric cars.&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span class="pds-feedback-per"&gt;31% &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="pds-feedback-votes"&gt;(267 votes)   &lt;/span&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="text-align: center;" class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="pds-answer-text"&gt;Provide the horses with a vacation and safer working conditions.&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span class="pds-feedback-per"&gt;24% &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="pds-feedback-votes"&gt;(211 votes)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p style="text-align: center; font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 0, 0);" class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;Eliminate the carriage horse industry all together.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="text-align: center; font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 0, 0);" class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;35% (306 votes)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="text-align: center; font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 0, 0);" class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="text-align: right;" class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/S6qNxbQkhhI/AAAAAAAAAYE/sMh4Yh_9Wjg/s1600/WSL+stall+6.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float: right; margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; cursor: pointer; width: 287px; height: 215px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/S6qNxbQkhhI/AAAAAAAAAYE/sMh4Yh_9Wjg/s400/WSL+stall+6.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5452326179155772946" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="text-align: left;" class="MsoNormal"&gt;The winner was clearly the option to eliminate the carriage horses industry winning  more than 1/3 of the votes cast.  However what makes this even more interesting is that when coupled with the option of replacing the horses with electric cars, which got just under 1/3 of the votes - it equals about 66% of the vote.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="text-align: left;" class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="text-align: left;" class="MsoNormal"&gt;The people have said it is time to move this city forward and retire the horses.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="text-align: left;" class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="text-align: left;" class="MsoNormal"&gt;Is the City Council listening?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="pds-feedback-votes"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="text-align: center;" class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="mt-enclosuremt-enclosure-image"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-4327313096716317171?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/4327313096716317171/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7693697089040184548&amp;postID=4327313096716317171' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/4327313096716317171'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/4327313096716317171'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2010/03/gothamist-poll-eliminate-horse-carriage.html' title='Gothamist Poll:   Eliminate  Horse-Carriage Industry All Together.'/><author><name>Elizabeth Forel</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/S6qNxbQkhhI/AAAAAAAAAYE/sMh4Yh_9Wjg/s72-c/WSL+stall+6.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-9057392607479338691</id><published>2010-02-15T06:01:00.019-05:00</published><updated>2010-02-15T06:58:29.821-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='carriage horses'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Valentine&apos;s Day; Central Park'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Nivea'/><title type='text'>WHAT WAS NIVEA THINKING?</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/S3kuGLfGFAI/AAAAAAAAAWE/DtLXy3J-0Cc/s1600-h/bright+idea.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; float: right; cursor: pointer; width: 100px; height: 166px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/S3kuGLfGFAI/AAAAAAAAAWE/DtLXy3J-0Cc/s400/bright+idea.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5438428708723889154" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;You know Nivea - that company that produces not-so-great skin care products and cannot quite compete with the likes of Revlon, Avon and L'Oreal.  Well they got desperate and someone had what they thought was a bright idea.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On Valentine's Day, many of the horses and carriages in New York's Central Park were covered with &lt;a href="http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/home/permalink/?ndmViewId=news_view&amp;amp;newsId=20100214005209&amp;amp;newsLang=en"&gt;Nivea advertising.&lt;/a&gt;  "Take a ride!"   "Get a Nivea goody bag!"  "Share the hugs and kisses."  Oh puleeze!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It was the epitome of tackiness.  What next? Advertising Pepsi on the horse's back or maybe McDonald's?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Don't they know what a mess they just got involved in?  I guess they have no clue about how the horses are treated or maybe they just don't care  ... about their too small stalls on upper level multi-storied stables on the far west side of Manhattan --(no they do not live in idyllic Central Park);  how they never have the opportunity to get daily pasture time; how they work nine hours a day, seven days a week in all kinds of nasty weather; how they work nose to tailpipe sucking up car exhaust, on hard surfaces that cause concussive injuries -- all to make a buck for their owner.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/S3kvm4plVZI/AAAAAAAAAWM/QAV7-_cVdXg/s1600-h/almighty+dollar.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 104px; height: 104px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/S3kvm4plVZI/AAAAAAAAAWM/QAV7-_cVdXg/s400/almighty+dollar.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5438430370114917778" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;font-size:130%;" &gt;After all that is what it is about - the almighty dollar.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And when the horses are too tired to make the run anymore, they are "humanely disposed" of.  This means, of course, that they can be sent to the New Holland auction in Pennsylvania  (or equivalent) and may come to the attention of greedy kill buyers who are always looking for more horse flesh for the European market. &lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/S3kwbJPtn-I/AAAAAAAAAWc/r5-NaJsYZnQ/s1600-h/Picture+032.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; float: right; cursor: pointer; width: 400px; height: 300px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/S3kwbJPtn-I/AAAAAAAAAWc/r5-NaJsYZnQ/s400/Picture+032.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5438431267923009506" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Please contact Nivea (owned by&lt;span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt; Beirsdorf) &lt;/span&gt;and tell them you will not buy their product anymore.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Don't let them get away with not having a heart for the horses.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Leslie Kickham, 203-563-5821&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="mailto:lkickham@bdfusa.com" shape="rect"&gt;lkickham@bdfusa.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When we asked one of the couples why they were taking a ride - the man laughed and said he planned to  have a horse meat dinner after.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The  carriage driver laughed ..... lovely  people.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-9057392607479338691?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/9057392607479338691/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7693697089040184548&amp;postID=9057392607479338691' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/9057392607479338691'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/9057392607479338691'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2010/02/what-was-nivea-thinking.html' title='WHAT WAS NIVEA THINKING?'/><author><name>Elizabeth Forel</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/S3kuGLfGFAI/AAAAAAAAAWE/DtLXy3J-0Cc/s72-c/bright+idea.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-6505860502878496925</id><published>2010-02-02T20:06:00.006-05:00</published><updated>2010-02-02T22:33:45.642-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='carriage horses'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Department of Health and Mental Hygiene; DOHMH'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='public hearing'/><title type='text'>IS THE DOH ACTUALLY ADMITTING THE IMPOSSIBILITY OF A HUMANE CARRIAGE HORSE INDUSTRY?</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_7iJ9UIlj3Dc/S2jOt43gF8I/AAAAAAAAADo/VhcALKXtPwo/s1600-h/water+trough+-+2+-+dec.+2007.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; float: right; cursor: pointer; width: 220px; height: 294px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_7iJ9UIlj3Dc/S2jOt43gF8I/AAAAAAAAADo/VhcALKXtPwo/s320/water+trough+-+2+-+dec.+2007.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5433820238177114050" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;meta equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"&gt;&lt;meta name="ProgId" content="Word.Document"&gt;&lt;meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 9"&gt;&lt;meta name="Originator" content="Microsoft Word 9"&gt;&lt;link rel="File-List" href="file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/ELIZAB%7E1/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msoclip1/01/clip_filelist.xml"&gt;&lt;!--[if gte mso 9]&gt;&lt;xml&gt;  &lt;w:worddocument&gt;   &lt;w:view&gt;Normal&lt;/w:View&gt;   &lt;w:zoom&gt;0&lt;/w:Zoom&gt;   &lt;w:donotoptimizeforbrowser/&gt;  &lt;/w:WordDocument&gt; &lt;/xml&gt;&lt;![endif]--&gt;&lt;style&gt; &lt;!--  /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal 	{mso-style-parent:""; 	margin:0in; 	margin-bottom:.0001pt; 	mso-pagination:widow-orphan; 	font-size:11.0pt; 	mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt; 	font-family:Arial; 	mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; 	mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";} @page Section1 	{size:8.5in 11.0in; 	margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in; 	mso-header-margin:.5in; 	mso-footer-margin:.5in; 	mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 	{page:Section1;} --&gt; &lt;/style&gt;    &lt;p style="text-align: left;" class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color:black;"&gt;Suggests Current Multi-Level Stables are Unacceptable&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="text-align: left;" class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:&amp;quot;;font-size:130%;color:black;"   &gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;p style="text-align: left;" class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color:black;"&gt;But Still Can't Even Recommend Accepted Standard for Stall Size&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="text-align: left;" class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style=";font-size:10pt;color:black;"  &gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:&amp;quot;;font-size:12pt;color:black;"   &gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style="color:black;"&gt;The Department of Health and Mental Hygiene will hold a public hearing on Wednesday, February 3rd on proposals to allegedly  improve the horse-carriage industry.  Horse advocates are expected to provide comments.  But try as they might, the DoHMH cannot even meet industry standards for horses with their new proposals.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:black;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:&amp;quot;;font-size:12pt;color:black;"   &gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style="color:black;"&gt; While touting a five week vacation for horses per year, the DoH  fails to acknowledge that experts advise that horses need &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;daily turnout or pasture time&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;i&gt; &lt;/i&gt;– time to run, buck, roll, play with other horses and sleep in the pasture.  This helps with colic, nutrition, tying up disease and a horse's overall well being.  The DoH knows it is impossible to do this in NYC and to treat the horses like living creatures and not money making machines.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:black;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:&amp;quot;;font-size:12pt;color:black;"   &gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style="color:black;"&gt; The DoH is also trying to pull the veil of transparency down and do away with the engraved number identification on the horses hoof so it will be impossible for the public to report with accuracy a lame or sick horse.  This 4-digit number has also previously helped to locate and rescue horses in slaughter auctions.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:black;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:&amp;quot;;font-size:12pt;color:black;"   &gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_7iJ9UIlj3Dc/S2jPmLPmgjI/AAAAAAAAADw/gWM1cg3afmI/s1600-h/WSL+stable+from+CBS.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 303px; height: 227px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_7iJ9UIlj3Dc/S2jPmLPmgjI/AAAAAAAAADw/gWM1cg3afmI/s320/WSL+stable+from+CBS.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5433821205182710322" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:black;"&gt;Because the DoH obviously wants the industry to remain viable and because these proposals were made with input from the carriage industry, the new recommended size of stalls is 70 sq. feet --&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt; less then ½ the recommended size for a 1,000 pound horse&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;.  Currently the regulations only require 48 sq. ft.  Experts recommend a stall size of 12 x 12 feet  – 144 sq. feet for a 1,000 pound horses and 14 x 14 foot minimum for the large draft breeds.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:black;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style="color:black;"&gt;Cramming a horse into such a small stall because that is the only space available is like squeezing a size 9 foot into a size 6 shoe.  Very uncomfortable!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style="color:black;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:&amp;quot;;font-size:12pt;color:black;"   &gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style="color:black;"&gt;The DoH is also not able to address the available potable water issue for horses.  The two water troughs in Central Park are turned off for half the year depriving the horses of free flowing (albeit questionable) water in the Park.  But public water troughs are a known source of microbes - a place where drunks can urinate and people have been seen washing up -- where a horse can pick up a disease and pass it on to another horse.  It is a veterinarian's nightmare.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:black;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:&amp;quot;;font-size:12pt;color:black;"   &gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style="color:black;"&gt; But the pièce de résistance is the  DoH’s position on new stables.  Starting January 31, 2011&lt;i&gt;, “no new stables shall be equipped with stalls that are located above first or street level of the stable.“&lt;/i&gt;  This will not affect any of the existing stables, which are grandfathered in,  but it officially acknowledges a new correct standard – and &lt;b&gt;essentially admits that it is both inhumane and dangerous to house horses on upper levels as they are all housed how –&lt;/b&gt; as horse advocates have always claimed.  It is difficult on older horses to make the ramp every day and it becomes a fire hazard if there were a fire on the ground level.  The ramp would act as a chimney  and there is only one means of egress in the front of the building on the ground floor.  The horses would die.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:black;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:&amp;quot;;font-size:12pt;color:black;"   &gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style="color:black;"&gt;These proposals are a sad attempt to make improvements to a faltering out-of-control industry.  They only prove that it is impossible to run this trade humanely in New York City.  The Department of Health and the City need to come to this realization and to stop wasting City resources.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style="color:black;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;&lt;span style="color:black;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:black;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:&amp;quot;;font-size:12pt;color:black;"   &gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-6505860502878496925?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/6505860502878496925/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7693697089040184548&amp;postID=6505860502878496925' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/6505860502878496925'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/6505860502878496925'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2010/02/is-doh-actually-admitting-impossibility.html' title='IS THE DOH ACTUALLY ADMITTING THE IMPOSSIBILITY OF A HUMANE CARRIAGE HORSE INDUSTRY?'/><author><name>Lizzie</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_7iJ9UIlj3Dc/S2jOt43gF8I/AAAAAAAAADo/VhcALKXtPwo/s72-c/water+trough+-+2+-+dec.+2007.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-8121473405160684959</id><published>2010-01-03T09:44:00.008-05:00</published><updated>2010-01-03T10:58:43.298-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='carriage horses; horse-drawn carriages; department of health; nyc tourism'/><title type='text'>NYC Health Dept. Proposes New Regulations for Carriage Horses</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_7iJ9UIlj3Dc/S0C7fZLvJtI/AAAAAAAAADg/4LBuXMnAT2Y/s1600-h/horseswithout+carriagesw+-+NYC.JPG"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 246px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_7iJ9UIlj3Dc/S0C7fZLvJtI/AAAAAAAAADg/4LBuXMnAT2Y/s320/horseswithout+carriagesw+-+NYC.JPG" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5422540099364529874" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;The NYC Department of Health and Mental Hygiene  has proposed new updates and revisions to Health Code &lt;a href="http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/downloads/pdf/notice/article-161-amend-1209.pdf"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Article 161&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/downloads/pdf/notice/notice-of-intention-to-amend-chapter4-of-title24.pdf"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Chapter 4 &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;of the Commissioner's Regulations concerning carriage horses.  A public hearing will be convened on Tuesday, February 3, 2010 at 125 Worth St.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;meta equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"&gt;&lt;meta name="ProgId" content="Word.Document"&gt;&lt;meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 9"&gt;&lt;meta name="Originator" content="Microsoft Word 9"&gt;&lt;link style="font-family: arial;" rel="File-List" href="file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/ELIZAB%7E1/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msoclip1/01/clip_filelist.xml"&gt;&lt;!--[if gte mso 9]&gt;&lt;xml&gt;  &lt;w:worddocument&gt;   &lt;w:view&gt;Normal&lt;/w:View&gt;   &lt;w:zoom&gt;0&lt;/w:Zoom&gt;   &lt;w:donotoptimizeforbrowser/&gt;  &lt;/w:WordDocument&gt; &lt;/xml&gt;&lt;![endif]--&gt;&lt;style&gt; &lt;!--  /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal 	{mso-style-parent:""; 	margin:0in; 	margin-bottom:.0001pt; 	mso-pagination:widow-orphan; 	font-size:11.0pt; 	mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt; 	font-family:Arial; 	mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; 	mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";} p.MsoBodyText, li.MsoBodyText, div.MsoBodyText 	{margin-top:12.0pt; 	margin-right:0in; 	margin-bottom:0in; 	margin-left:0in; 	margin-bottom:.0001pt; 	mso-pagination:widow-orphan; 	font-size:12.0pt; 	mso-bidi-font-size:8.0pt; 	font-family:Arial; 	mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; 	color:black;} @page Section1 	{size:8.5in 11.0in; 	margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in; 	mso-header-margin:.5in; 	mso-footer-margin:.5in; 	mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 	{page:Section1;} --&gt; &lt;/style&gt;  &lt;p  class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;While we understand that the DoH is limited in what they can regulate, we nevertheless applaud their efforts in trying to improve conditions for NYC carriage horses.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p  class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p  class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p  class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;However there are some proposed regulations that are window dressing and deserve comments.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p  class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p  class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt; It is suggested that &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;horses get five weeks vacation a year.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;Taken out of context, this &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=";font-size:100%;color:black;"  &gt;sounds good - more than most people get. &lt;span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"&gt;But here's the rub. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p  class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-size:100%;color:black;"  &gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p  class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-size:100%;color:black;"  &gt;These horses work nine hours a day, seven days a week in congested traffic in all kinds of bad weather conditions. They live in cramped stalls in multistoried warehouses.&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt; They are herd animals and need daily turnout &lt;/span&gt;- a pasture to run free and socialize with other horses. This does not exist in the barren warehouse buildings where they live. Five weeks of vacation is meaningless in this context because the horses are broken and exhausted by the time they are eligible for a "vacation."  This is simply a nod to the industry sanctioning something that is totally unenforceable.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p  class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=";font-size:100%;color:black;"  &gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p  class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-size:100%;color:black;"  &gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p  class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-size:100%;color:black;"  &gt;There are many other problems with these proposed regulations including the disingenuous so called smoking ban. The real danger to the horse's lungs comes from living a nose to tailpipe existence, sucking up car and bus exhaust all day. &lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The only way to change that is to ban the industry from operating.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p  class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p face="arial" class="MsoNormal"&gt;At the same time the proposed regs will prohibit drivers talking on their cell phones, texting, reading newspapers, taking pictures and videos while driving  and otherwise not paying attention to the road - something that is very prevalent among the drivers.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=";font-size:100%;color:black;"  &gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p style="font-family: arial;" class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-size:100%;color:black;"  &gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p  class="MsoBodyText" style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;We also understand that the Department of Health must follow the lead of the mayor who up to now has supported the industry.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;But, it still sounds like the City is horsing around with these regulations, trying to placate critics of the industry and some of the Advisory board members at the same time.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p  class="MsoBodyText" style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;This small “industry”, made up of only a couple of hundred people, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;for some reason has a hold on city politicians.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;Thinking people, however, know this anachronistic trade can never be made right. The only logical and humane solution is to shut down this business and to retire the horses to sanctuaries - saving them from a life of exploitation pulling unsafe carriages around crowded streets.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;We are in a new decade.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;Let’s make it right for the horses.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=";font-size:100%;color:black;"  &gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-8121473405160684959?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/8121473405160684959/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7693697089040184548&amp;postID=8121473405160684959' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/8121473405160684959'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/8121473405160684959'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2010/01/nyc-health-dept-proposes-new.html' title='NYC Health Dept. Proposes New Regulations for Carriage Horses'/><author><name>Lizzie</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_7iJ9UIlj3Dc/S0C7fZLvJtI/AAAAAAAAADg/4LBuXMnAT2Y/s72-c/horseswithout+carriagesw+-+NYC.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-3186075409431504770</id><published>2009-12-12T12:47:00.017-05:00</published><updated>2009-12-12T19:42:42.211-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='ASPCA'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='nyc carriage horses'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='intro 653A'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='ban horse drawn carriages'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='carriage horse; Holly Cheever; Tony Avella; horse spooking; NY City Council; Coalition to Ban Horse-Drawn Carriages'/><title type='text'>UNDERCOVER INVESTIGATION == HORSES GO TO THE DOGS</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/SyPc3W0rmCI/AAAAAAAAAMI/hyx8Na-rs_A/s1600-h/WL_Fire_Buckets.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; float: right; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 240px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/SyPc3W0rmCI/AAAAAAAAAMI/hyx8Na-rs_A/s320/WL_Fire_Buckets.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5414414020606924834" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;"&gt;H&lt;/span&gt;ey everyone.  Good to be back in the old US of A working the blogs again.  I’ve spent the last several  months in Europe visiting family in Manchester and my college buddies now living in  London and Rome.  Great trip.  I got to hang out and protest with activists in Rome and saw the carriage horses or Botticelle as they call them there.  It’s just as bad as New York City.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Having  been home for a while now, I’ve been catching up with what's  going down  with the carriage horses.  I joined the &lt;a href="http://banhdc.org/index.shtml"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Coalition to Ban Horse-Drawn Carriages &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;and &lt;a href="http://www.friendsofanimals.org/"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Friends of Animals &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;on December 5th, which is the &lt;a href="http://www.horseswithoutcarriages.org/"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;international day of action&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; for carriage horses around the world.  You can even see me in some of the video that was shot.  I am in the back, of course.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Coalition had access to an undercover &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://banhdc.org/animalsangels.pdf"&gt;investigation done by Animals Angels&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt; and it is on their web site.  West Side Livery stable on W. 38th Street was the main subject of the rally.  The pictures shown here were taken at that stable and are from the report.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Since I have been back, I’ve learned that the ASPCA managed to convince the City Council to delete the section from a dangerous bill, Intro 653A, that would have removed the ability of the ASPCA’s agents  to do inspections of the stables.  Bully for them, but what about the horses?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;News gets around through the Internet and while I was in London, I saw a petition about this very topic.  The ASPCA was very sure that they would lose their power.  They appealed to the world.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/SyPdAahPbBI/AAAAAAAAAMQ/Ns1ZQOQaoEQ/s1600-h/tie_stall.JPG"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 240px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/SyPdAahPbBI/AAAAAAAAAMQ/Ns1ZQOQaoEQ/s320/tie_stall.JPG" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5414414176217951250" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;This is a section from one of those letters:  "ASPCA agents monitor the care and condition of the horses, &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;checking stalls for proper bedding, size and cleanliness.&lt;/span&gt; They also check on feed to ensure that a proper amount is on hand and that it is free of vermin, as well as evaluate lighting, ventilation and unsafe conditions at the stables."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I’m here to tell you that &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;THIS IS A LIE &lt;/span&gt;and not to believe the ASPCA!   The City Council should not have been so quick to let them  continue to inspect the stables since they do not do a good job.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, the whole thing is messed up because while the ASPCA is incompetent, everyone was afraid that the carriage industry would self regulate.  This (if you can believe it) would be worse.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hey... Don't believe what I say.  The proof of the ASPCA's incompetence is West Side Livery.  It's one &lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/SyPdfPDEK9I/AAAAAAAAAMo/B54h5pp-Ars/s1600-h/white_horse_tied_to_feeder.JPG"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; float: right; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 240px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/SyPdfPDEK9I/AAAAAAAAAMo/B54h5pp-Ars/s320/white_horse_tied_to_feeder.JPG" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5414414705714539474" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;of five carriage horse stables in New York City.  The conditions in this stable happened on the ASPCA’s watch.  It's  a hell hole.  However, this is also proof of what would happen and be more wide spread  if the industry self regulated.  It's a classic example of people who &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;really&lt;/span&gt; care (us) being caught between a rock and a hard place.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The pictures from the Angels' report show filthy stables and dirty horses with urine and feces stains.  It also shows tie stalls that confine a horse like a veal crate with the horses tethered to their feeding trough.  In referring to the bad air circulation at the stable, the Angels' report stated that &lt;span style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;"&gt;"only a few fans are installed on each floor and one can only imagine the temperatures there during the hot summer months.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The report  also mentioned that they found plastic "water" buckets in the stalls that were empty.  It went on to state &lt;span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"&gt;"The stalls had very poor bedding, a thin layer of sawdust only covering parts of the stall so that the horses were forced to stand on the bare floor."&lt;/span&gt;  The most important part of the report was  about fire protection.  &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"Fire protection is another concern with this stable.  The horses have to be untied from the feed troughs and evacuated from the upper floors, which would be extremely difficult.  In addition, no sprinkler system and no other fire protection devices were observed except some “fire buckets” filled with sand."&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;Fire protection experts say that the steep ramp  found in all multistoried stables would act as a chimney if there were a fire, likely killing everything on the upper floors.  Having grown up on a farm, I know how timid and fearful horses can be.  They would never escape.  They would die.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thank you incompetent ASPCA.  Thank you corrupt City Council.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/SyPdtf7ObxI/AAAAAAAAAMw/v3UhnImV13k/s1600-h/first_floor_view_inside_westside.JPG"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 240px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/SyPdtf7ObxI/AAAAAAAAAMw/v3UhnImV13k/s320/first_floor_view_inside_westside.JPG" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5414414950763228946" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;So, why is the ASPCA still allowed to "inspect" these stables?  I understand they made a deal (with the devil) to support this terrible bill in exchange for being allowed to keep their inspection powers.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Only in New York, kids. Only in New York.  I might just go back to the UK. I've had it with the incompetence, the fraud, the corruption, and the sell outs.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;note:  photos courtesy of Animals' Angels via Coalition to Ban Horse-Drawn Carriages web site.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-3186075409431504770?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/3186075409431504770/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7693697089040184548&amp;postID=3186075409431504770' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/3186075409431504770'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/3186075409431504770'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2009/12/undercover-investigation-horses-go-to.html' title='UNDERCOVER INVESTIGATION == HORSES GO TO THE DOGS'/><author><name>Oliver</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/SyPc3W0rmCI/AAAAAAAAAMI/hyx8Na-rs_A/s72-c/WL_Fire_Buckets.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-2940768202596747127</id><published>2009-09-03T23:20:00.003-04:00</published><updated>2009-09-03T23:24:12.391-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='horse and buggy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='carriage horse rides; NYC democratic primary'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='carriage rides central park; horse drawn carriage;  nyc tourism; visit new york city'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Tony Avella'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='NYC mayoral race'/><title type='text'>Make your voice heard on Sept. 15!</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-style: italic;font-size:85%;" &gt;Vote for Tony Avella in the Democratic primary&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object height="340" width="560"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/4SBY_HD3xcc&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1&amp;amp;"&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/4SBY_HD3xcc&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1&amp;amp;" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" height="340" width="560"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Tony Avella introduced the landmark legislation that would ban New York City's inhumane horse-drawn carriage industry. He also has sponsored all manner of humane legislation, including the pets-in-housing bill (can you imagine not being able to have a pet?) Truly, he is the best friend that New York City animals have ever had.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Avella works tirelessly for our neighborhoods, something that surely can't be said of Bloomberg or Thompson. Their allegiances are to the real estate industry, not to the people of New York City. Avella is a fighter for small businesses that have been exploited mercilessly. He is a passionate advocate for fixing our broken education system, by empowering teachers and parents and by putting an end to "teaching to the test."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Do your neighbors know what Tony Avella has done for our city? Do the small businesses in your neighborhood? Now is the time to let them know that he has been championing their cause! Spread the word. People will likely be glad to hear from you that there is a meaningful choice. Make history on September 15. Vote in the Democratic primary for the progressive candidate, Tony Avella.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;TAKE ACTION! Window and lawn signs are available from the Avella campaign! Request yours today. Contact Hema Patel, Field Director, Tony Avella for Mayor.&lt;br /&gt;PHONE: 718-855-7035&lt;br /&gt;EMAIL: action@tonyavellaformayor.com&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-2940768202596747127?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/2940768202596747127/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7693697089040184548&amp;postID=2940768202596747127' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/2940768202596747127'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/2940768202596747127'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2009/09/make-your-voice-heard-on-sept-15.html' title='Make your voice heard on Sept. 15!'/><author><name>Zan</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-3655124445321262940</id><published>2009-06-12T06:59:00.010-04:00</published><updated>2009-06-12T08:08:45.902-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='carriage horses'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='traffic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='insurance'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='horse-drawn carriages'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='horse spooking'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='car accidents'/><title type='text'>SPOOKING:  HORSES AT RISK</title><content type='html'>I recently came upon a new blog called &lt;a href="http://www.spookedhorses.blogspot.com/"&gt;&lt;span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"&gt;Spooking: Horses at Risk.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; Anyone who knows horses knows how unpredictable they can be. Huge animals, they are easily frightened, which is why they often wear blinders and ear plugs when on the street. Some are even drugged. Anything to block out the craziness of city streets. Anything to take away their natural instincts and turn them into automatons.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-STYLE: italic"&gt;One of Spooking: Horses at Risk's entries is duplicated and credited here:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;meta content="text/html; charset=utf-8" equiv="Content-Type"&gt;&lt;meta content="Word.Document" name="ProgId"&gt;&lt;meta content="Microsoft Word 9" name="Generator"&gt;&lt;meta content="Microsoft Word 9" name="Originator"&gt;&lt;link href="file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/ELIZAB%7E1/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msoclip1/01/clip_filelist.xml" rel="File-List"&gt;&lt;style&gt; &lt;!--  /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal 	{mso-style-parent:""; 	margin:0in; 	margin-bottom:.0001pt; 	mso-pagination:widow-orphan; 	font-size:11.0pt; 	mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt; 	font-family:Arial; 	mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; 	mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";} h2 	{margin-right:0in; 	mso-margin-top-alt:auto; 	mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; 	margin-left:0in; 	mso-pagination:widow-orphan; 	mso-outline-level:2; 	font-size:18.0pt; 	font-family:Arial; 	mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";} h3 	{margin-right:0in; 	mso-margin-top-alt:auto; 	mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; 	margin-left:0in; 	mso-pagination:widow-orphan; 	mso-outline-level:3; 	font-size:13.5pt; 	font-family:Arial; 	mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink 	{color:blue; 	text-decoration:underline; 	text-underline:single;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed 	{color:purple; 	text-decoration:underline; 	text-underline:single;} @page Section1 	{size:8.5in 11.0in; 	margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; 	mso-header-margin:.5in; 	mso-footer-margin:.5in; 	mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 	{page:Section1;} --&gt; &lt;/style&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/SjI2FCAEDoI/AAAAAAAAAIw/g2xteFWR960/s1600-h/car+cropped.JPG"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5346395167706582658" style="FLOAT: left; MARGIN: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; WIDTH: 271px; CURSOR: pointer; HEIGHT: 223px" alt="" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/SjI2FCAEDoI/AAAAAAAAAIw/g2xteFWR960/s320/car+cropped.JPG" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;An interesting on line article called Spooking Car Accidents &lt;a href="http://www.youclaim.co.uk/car/horses-and-car-accident-claims.htm"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;discusses car accidents and insurance claims related to horses spooking. The article states that according to statistics in the United States, 85% of all car crashes involving horses occur as a result of spooking. Spooking refers to an incident where a horse is alarmed by some sudden change in the external environment such as a car horn, a pedestrian dashing across the road, or a loud noise from a construction site.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The article continues -- &lt;i&gt;“When spooked the horse will panic and behave unpredictably, often leading it to lash out or bolt. There have been numerous cases in recent years of horses spooking which have led to car accidents. A number of these cases have resulted in fatal accidents, while many more have caused serious personal injuries.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;The same US study reports that in cases where a horse has spooked in an urban or town environment, &lt;/i&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/SjI2O5tqO_I/AAAAAAAAAI4/vfwed85n-VM/s1600-h/Newday+carriage+horse+accident+-+%234+-+1-2-06+%282%29.jpg"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5346395337280601074" style="FLOAT: right; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; WIDTH: 337px; CURSOR: pointer; HEIGHT: 232px" alt="" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/SjI2O5tqO_I/AAAAAAAAAI4/vfwed85n-VM/s320/Newday+carriage+horse+accident+-+%234+-+1-2-06+%282%29.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;i&gt;70% of the time it has led to a person suffering serious personal injury, while 22% of the time it has resulted in a fatal car accident.&lt;/i&gt; &lt;i&gt;Both London and Paris have recently banned the use of horse-drawn vehicles because of the risk of car crashes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;meta content="text/html; charset=utf-8" equiv="Content-Type"&gt;&lt;meta content="Word.Document" name="ProgId"&gt;&lt;meta content="Microsoft Word 9" name="Generator"&gt;&lt;meta content="Microsoft Word 9" name="Originator"&gt;&lt;link href="file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/ELIZAB%7E1/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msoclip1/01/clip_filelist.xml" rel="File-List"&gt;&lt;style&gt; &lt;!--  /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal 	{mso-style-parent:""; 	margin:0in; 	margin-bottom:.0001pt; 	mso-pagination:widow-orphan; 	font-size:11.0pt; 	mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt; 	font-family:Arial; 	mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; 	mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";} h2 	{margin-right:0in; 	mso-margin-top-alt:auto; 	mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; 	margin-left:0in; 	mso-pagination:widow-orphan; 	mso-outline-level:2; 	font-size:18.0pt; 	font-family:Arial; 	mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";} h3 	{margin-right:0in; 	mso-margin-top-alt:auto; 	mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; 	margin-left:0in; 	mso-pagination:widow-orphan; 	mso-outline-level:3; 	font-size:13.5pt; 	font-family:Arial; 	mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink 	{color:blue; 	text-decoration:underline; 	text-underline:single;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed 	{color:purple; 	text-decoration:underline; 	text-underline:single;} @page Section1 	{size:8.5in 11.0in; 	margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in; 	mso-header-margin:.5in; 	mso-footer-margin:.5in; 	mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 	{page:Section1;} --&gt; &lt;/style&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Another major factor behind these bans has been a regulatory fear of compensation claims. As car &lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;accidents involving horses result in such a high proportion of serious personal injuries and deaths, the use of horses in cities opens up both the councils and the companies using the horses to potentially costly personal injury compensation claims."&lt;/i&gt;&lt;?xml:namespace prefix = o /&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-3655124445321262940?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/3655124445321262940/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7693697089040184548&amp;postID=3655124445321262940' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/3655124445321262940'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/3655124445321262940'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2009/06/spooking-horses-at-risk.html' title='SPOOKING:  HORSES AT RISK'/><author><name>Oliver</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/SjI2FCAEDoI/AAAAAAAAAIw/g2xteFWR960/s72-c/car+cropped.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-5503284247363498262</id><published>2009-05-17T17:55:00.006-04:00</published><updated>2009-06-12T08:07:21.635-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='NYC Bar Assoc; Avella'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='carriage horses'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='John Liu'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='fear mongering'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Koppell'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='James Gennaro'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='carriage horses; David Weprin'/><title type='text'>FEAR MONGERING ON W. 44TH STREET</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/ShCOlR3A-1I/AAAAAAAAAIo/wJWyRbHAT84/s1600-h/in+traffic.jpg"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5336922329534495570" style="FLOAT: right; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; WIDTH: 347px; CURSOR: pointer; HEIGHT: 203px" alt="" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/ShCOlR3A-1I/AAAAAAAAAIo/wJWyRbHAT84/s320/in+traffic.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On Monday night, May 11th, The Committee on Legal Issues Pertaining to Animals of the NYC Bar Association hosted a program entitled "Yay or Neigh - Should The Carriage Horse Industry Be Banned in NYC? As I stated in my previous blog, the panel consisted of&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;DR. HOLLY CHEEVER&lt;/strong&gt;, DVM; &lt;strong&gt;ELIZABETH FOREL&lt;/strong&gt;, President of the Coalition to Ban Horse-Drawn Carriages ; &lt;strong&gt;DONNY MOSS&lt;/strong&gt;, Documentary filmmaker, Blinders; &lt;strong&gt;MARTHA ROBINSON&lt;/strong&gt;, Associate General Counsel, NYC Department of Health and Mental Hygiene; &lt;strong&gt;STACY WOLF&lt;/strong&gt;, Vice President and Chief Legal Counsel, Humane Law Enforcement, ASPCA.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Although members of the carriage industry were invited to speak, the invitation was either ignored or declined. Council Members Liu, Weprin and Koppell, who support the industry bill, were also invited but declined. They apparently did not have the guts or knowledge to defend a bill to which they put their name.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am "borrowing" a lot of material from the e-newsletter Horse Sense put out by the Coalition to Ban Horse-Drawn Carriages -- but it is so important that I wanted to share it with you.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;First of all ... You can read &lt;a href="http://banhdc.org/ch-news-20090511.shtml"&gt;Holly Cheever, DVM's&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://banhdc.org/ch-news-20090511EF.shtml"&gt;Elizabeth Forel's&lt;/a&gt; presentation by going to the &lt;span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.banhdc.org/"&gt;http://www.banhdc.org/&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/span&gt;web site. But for this purpose, just click on their name. Dr. Cheever is so knowledgeable, you will not want to miss it. And Elizabeth Forel addresses misconceptions in a very thorough and interesting way -- such as why it is not feasible to put the horses in Central Park -- or if the industry is banned, all the horses will go to slaughter.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Second ... the videos. Oh My!!! Members of the carriage industry stationed themselves outside the NYC Bar Association building and took pictures of people going into the building. It was such a pathetic attempt at intimidation. See the video &lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=la99WjQCRIY&amp;amp;feature=email"&gt;Surveillance&lt;/a&gt; on Youtube. These guys are really thugs.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And a new addition to the Youtube library are excellent videos by HorsefeathersNYC who taped Council Member Tony Avella who stopped by to say a few words. The Council Member talked about the issue and how his colleague, Council Member Gennaro made a fool of himself at the January 30th hearing by grilling a representative of the Bar Association.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;Click on the name of the video and you will be transported through space to Youtube. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePREKgmY2qE&amp;amp;feature=channel_page"&gt;Councilman: Every Horse Healthy?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElLq6IxrevQ&amp;amp;feature=channel_page"&gt;Avella apologizing for James Gennaro's tirade.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev_t2beSxvk&amp;amp;feature=channel_page"&gt;Gennaro took his name off the carriage industry bill.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJauzxZqBgU&amp;amp;feature=channel_page"&gt;Avella: NYC will truly be animal-friendly.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I was sitting toward the back and noticed that there were several members of the carriage industry in the audience who just sat there fussing. None of them had the courage to stand up and be counted. None asked a question.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It was an excellent program and just reinforced why the carriage horse industry should be banned in New York City.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-5503284247363498262?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/5503284247363498262/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7693697089040184548&amp;postID=5503284247363498262' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/5503284247363498262'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/5503284247363498262'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2009/05/fear-mongering-on-w-44th-street.html' title='FEAR MONGERING ON W. 44TH STREET'/><author><name>Oliver</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/ShCOlR3A-1I/AAAAAAAAAIo/wJWyRbHAT84/s72-c/in+traffic.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-2612247275812043904</id><published>2009-04-19T18:56:00.009-04:00</published><updated>2009-04-19T19:11:54.413-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Oliver Koppell'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='NYC Council;  coalition to ban horse-drawn carriages; horses'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='John Liu'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Tony Avella'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='James Gennaro'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='carriage horses; horse-drawn carriages'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='carriage horses; David Weprin'/><title type='text'>SAVE THE DATE -- PANEL ON CARRIAGE HORSE ISSUE</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/Seuvdk_jqdI/AAAAAAAAAIg/TNAI7Zme0pA/s1600-h/chelsea+now+horse.gif"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; float: right; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 212px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/Seuvdk_jqdI/AAAAAAAAAIg/TNAI7Zme0pA/s320/chelsea+now+horse.gif" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5326543906977065426" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"&gt;from the web site of the NYC bar:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.nycbar.org/EventsCalendar/show_event.php?eventid=1116"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Yay or Neigh:  Should the carriage horse industry be banned in NYC?  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Monday, May 11, 2009  6:30 PM - 8:30 PM &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;42 West 44th Street, NYC&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;" &gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;" &gt;&lt;span style="font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Verdana;" &gt;Animal advocates have called for an end to the carriage horse industry, arguing that the congested New York City streets are no place for horses. Supporters claim that horse carriages are a legitimate industry that is vital to tourism. A panel of experts will discuss the proposed ban on horse-drawn carriages and other issues relating to carriage horses.    &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;Moderators:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;LORI BARRETT&lt;/strong&gt;, Deputy County Attorney, Office of the Nassau County Attorney; &lt;strong&gt;CHRISTINE MOTT&lt;/strong&gt;, Christine Mott, Esq.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Speakers:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;DR. HOLLY CHEEVER&lt;/strong&gt;, DVM; &lt;strong&gt;ELIZABETH FOREL&lt;/strong&gt;, President of the Coalition to Ban Horse-Drawn Carriages ; &lt;strong&gt;DONNY MOSS&lt;/strong&gt;, Documentary filmmaker, Blinders; &lt;strong&gt;MARTHA ROBINSON&lt;/strong&gt;, Associate General Counsel, NYC Department of Health and Mental Hygiene; &lt;strong&gt;STACY WOLF&lt;/strong&gt;, Vice President and Chief Legal Counsel, Humane Law Enforcement, ASPCA &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;==================================================================&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Bar Association's Committee on Legal Issues Pertaining to Animals is not an animal rights organization and always tries  to present both sides of an issue.  So noticeably missing are representatives of the carriage industry and Council opponents of the bill such as David Weprin, John Liu, James Gennaro and David Weprin -- or anyone from the Department of Consumer Affairs.    Not sure why Council Member Tony Avella is  not listed since he introduced the ground breaking bill to ban the horse drawn carriage industry.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I believe the list of panels is a work in progress, however.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I do hope the opposing council members  have the courage to defend their position at this event.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-2612247275812043904?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/2612247275812043904/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7693697089040184548&amp;postID=2612247275812043904' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/2612247275812043904'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/2612247275812043904'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2009/04/save-date-panel-on-carriage-horse-issue.html' title='SAVE THE DATE -- PANEL ON CARRIAGE HORSE ISSUE'/><author><name>Oliver</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/Seuvdk_jqdI/AAAAAAAAAIg/TNAI7Zme0pA/s72-c/chelsea+now+horse.gif' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-859619029630814668</id><published>2009-04-10T10:13:00.007-04:00</published><updated>2009-04-10T19:06:02.704-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='carriage horses'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='ethics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='animal rights'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='animal welfare'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='ny times'/><title type='text'>NY TIMES:  ANIMAL RIGHTS MAINSTREAM ETHICS</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/Sd_M0rPfoNI/AAAAAAAAAIY/JKcBcqi7H84/s1600-h/wolf+paw+human+hand+cropped.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 219px; height: 292px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/Sd_M0rPfoNI/AAAAAAAAAIY/JKcBcqi7H84/s320/wolf+paw+human+hand+cropped.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5323198489908191442" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;from &lt;a href="http://www.newyorkviews.blogspot.com/"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;New York Views - a Sporadical &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;... a blog by Lizzie&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt; In today’s New York Times (4/9/09), Nicholas Kristoff proclaimed that &lt;span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"&gt;“animal rights are now firmly on the mainstream ethical agenda&lt;/span&gt;.” The piece, entitled &lt;a style="font-weight: bold;" href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/09/opinion/09kristof.html?_r=1&amp;amp;ref=opinion"&gt;Humanity Even For Nonhumans&lt;/a&gt; is reprinted below. For those of us who have lived this lifestyle for years and have suffered the slings and arrows of detractors - this is wonderful news coming from such a conservative paper&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;… and yes it is .. when it comes to animal issues.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Some of the blog entries after this article referred to old religions like Buddhism and Jainism, which certainly revered animals. But they are not mainstream and Mr. Kristoff is recognizing this “profound difference from past centuries.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In a &lt;a href="http://banhdc.org/archives/news-testimonyEF.shtml"&gt;testimony &lt;/a&gt;I gave at the January 30th hearing of the City Council Committee on Consumer Affairs regarding two pieces of legislation concerning the &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;NYC carriage horse issue,&lt;/span&gt; I referred to an article published in the Harvard Crimson last year entitled &lt;a href="http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=522170"&gt;Compassionate Campaigners &lt;/a&gt;how animal voters were shaping the 2008 presidential election. Written by Lewis Bollard, this opinion piece talked about the new electorate who care about animals, and how they see a politician’s attitude to animals as a broader reflection of his compassion and character. Bollard calls them news-savvy, socially integrated, and politically active. They are the people who sent over 300,000 e-mails to NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell successfully urging him to drop convicted dog fighter Michael Vick from the league. They’re politically active, and willing to use their votes to protect the defenseless. So it comes as no surprise that there was such wide spread interest in the puppy for the Obama family – and and not just any puppy - but it must be one from a shelter.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yes the times are changing and the paradigm is shifting.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why is it that these kinds of progressive and ethical ideas grab hold in the grass roots first and take so long to move through the government, corporations and those with the power and money. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;------------------------------------------------------------------ &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;April 9, 2009 OP-ED COLUMNIST &lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/09/opinion/09kristof.html?_r=1&amp;amp;ref=opinion"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Humanity Even for Nonhumans &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF One of the historical election landmarks last year had nothing to do with race or the presidency. Rather, it had to do with pigs and chickens — and with overarching ideas about the limits of human dominion over other species. I’m referring to the stunning passage in California, by nearly a 2-to-1 majority, of an animal rights ballot initiative that will ban factory farms from keeping calves, pregnant hogs or egg-laying hens in tiny pens or cages in which they can’t stretch out or turn around. It was an element of a broad push in Europe and America alike to grant increasing legal protections to animals. Spain is moving to grant basic legal rights to apes. In the United States, law schools are offering courses on animal rights, fast-food restaurants including Burger King are working with animal rights groups to ease the plight of hogs and chickens in factory farms and the Humane Society of the United States is preparing to push new legislation to extend the California protections to other states. At one level, this movement on behalf of oppressed farm animals is emotional, driven by sympathy at photos of forlorn pigs or veal calves kept in tiny pens. Yet the movement is also the product of a deep intellectual ferment pioneered by the Princeton scholar Peter Singer. Professor Singer wrote a landmark article in 1973 for The New York Review of Books and later expanded it into a 1975 book, “Animal Liberation.” That book helped yank academic philosophy back from a dreary foray into linguistics and pushed it to confront such fascinating questions of applied ethics as: What are our moral obligations to pigs? John Maynard Keynes wrote that ideas, “both when they are right and when they are wrong, are more powerful than is commonly understood. Indeed the world is ruled by little else.” This idea popularized by Professor Singer — that we have ethical obligations that transcend our species — is one whose time appears to have come. “There’s some growth in numbers of vegetarians, but the bigger thing is a broad acceptance of the idea that animals count,” Mr. Singer reflected the other day. What we’re seeing now is an interesting moral moment: a grass-roots effort by members of one species to promote the welfare of others. Legislation is playing a role, with Europe scheduled to phase out bare wire cages for egg production by 2012, but consumer consciences are paramount. It’s because of consumers that companies like Burger King and Hardee’s are beginning to buy pork and eggs from producers that give space to their animals. For most of history, all of this would have been unimaginable even to people of the most refined ethical sensibility (granted, for many centuries those refined ethicists were also untroubled by slavery). A distinguished philosopher, Thomas Taylor, reacted to Mary Wollstonecraft’s 1792 call for “the rights of woman” by writing a mocking call for “the rights of brutes.” To him, it seemed as absurd that women should have rights as that animals should have rights. One of the few exceptions was Jeremy Bentham, the philosopher who 200 years ago also advocated for women’s rights, gay rights and prison reform. He responded to Kant’s lack of interest in animals by saying: “The question is not, Can they reason? nor, Can they talk? but, Can they suffer?” In recent years, the issue has entered the mainstream, but even for those who accept that we should try to reduce the suffering of animals, the question remains where to draw lines. I eagerly pushed Mr. Singer to find his boundaries. “Do you have any compunctions about swatting a cockroach?” I asked him. “Not much,” he replied, citing reasons to doubt that insects are capable of much suffering. Mr. Singer is somewhat unsure about shellfish, although he mostly gives them the benefit of the doubt and tends to avoid eating them. Free-range eggs don’t seem offensive to him, but there is the awkwardness that even wholesome egg-laying operations depend on the slaughtering of males, since a male chick is executed for every female allowed to survive and lay eggs. I asked Mr. Singer how he would weigh human lives against animal lives, and he said that he wouldn’t favor executing a human to save any number of animals. But he added that he would be troubled by the idea of keeping one human alive by torturing 10,000 hogs to death. These are vexing questions, and different people will answer them differently. For my part, I eat meat, but I would prefer that this practice not inflict gratuitous suffering. Yet however we may answer these questions, there is one profound difference from past centuries: animal rights are now firmly on the mainstream ethical agenda. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;This beautiful photo above is from &lt;a href="http://sharingourearth.blogspot.com/"&gt;Sharing our Earth with all Species&lt;/a&gt; a blog by Carmen Mandel-Cesareo, a professional photographer, author and conservation advocate&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-859619029630814668?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/859619029630814668/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7693697089040184548&amp;postID=859619029630814668' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/859619029630814668'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/859619029630814668'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2009/04/ny-times-animal-rights-mainstream.html' title='NY TIMES:  ANIMAL RIGHTS MAINSTREAM ETHICS'/><author><name>Oliver</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/Sd_M0rPfoNI/AAAAAAAAAIY/JKcBcqi7H84/s72-c/wolf+paw+human+hand+cropped.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-7228992488768650782</id><published>2009-04-06T19:26:00.007-04:00</published><updated>2009-04-10T10:12:43.163-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='nyc carriage horses'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='carriage horses'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='slaughter auctions'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='horse slaughter'/><title type='text'>NYC CARRIAGE HORSE FOUND AT SLAUGHTER AUCTION </title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/SdqRQgCq6mI/AAAAAAAAAIQ/8tUCMAjJsG8/s1600-h/horse+slaughter+-+5+-+(mine)+(2).jpg"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5321725622356732514" style="FLOAT: left; MARGIN: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; WIDTH: 264px; CURSOR: pointer; HEIGHT: 204px" alt="" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/SdqRQgCq6mI/AAAAAAAAAIQ/8tUCMAjJsG8/s320/horse+slaughter+-+5+-+%28mine%29+%282%29.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;meta content="text/html; charset=utf-8" equiv="Content-Type"&gt;&lt;meta content="Word.Document" name="ProgId"&gt;&lt;meta content="Microsoft Word 9" name="Generator"&gt;&lt;meta content="Microsoft Word 9" name="Originator"&gt;&lt;link href="file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/ELIZAB%7E1/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msoclip1/01/clip_filelist.xml" rel="File-List"&gt;&lt;style&gt; &lt;!--  /* Font Definitions */ @font-face 	{font-family:Verdana; 	panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4; 	mso-font-charset:0; 	mso-generic-font-family:swiss; 	mso-font-pitch:variable; 	mso-font-signature:536871559 0 0 0 415 0;}  /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal 	{mso-style-parent:""; 	margin:0in; 	margin-bottom:.0001pt; 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&lt;a href="http://www.banhdc.org/"&gt;Coalition to Ban Horse-Drawn Carriages: &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Verdana;color:black;"&gt;"Manhattan" is an 18 year old Belgian gelding who has been identified as a NYC carriage horse by the number engraved on his left front hoof. According to the web site of &lt;a href="http://www.gentlegiantsdrafthorserescue.com/Availablehorses.html"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Gentle Giant Draft Horse Rescue&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; in Maryland, he was rescued from a slaughter auction on January 19&lt;span id="SPELLING_ERROR_0"&gt;&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error"&gt;th&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;. He had a condition known as Laryngeal Paralysis, where half of his vocal cords ceased opening enough to allow him to breath comfortably. He has since had surgery and is healing. &lt;?xml:namespace prefix = u1 /&gt;&lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:';font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;?xml:namespace prefix = o /&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Verdana;color:black;"&gt;The web site indicates that the Rescue did some research and found that Manhattan last worked as a carriage horse in NYC in the fall. We doubt the accuracy of this information (since it was the carriage industry that probably furnished it) because it would have been 3-4 months later that he was purchased at the slaughter auction. What was he doing in all of that time? We believe that he was worked to exhaustion during the Christmas holiday period and then dumped. That time period makes more sense.&lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Verdana;color:black;"&gt;Of course this information flies in the face of the industry claims that none of their horses go to slaughter. Sure...&lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;color:black;"&gt;## ##&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/SdqQjZCeQVI/AAAAAAAAAII/_NnBeCqQJgs/s1600-h/sad+horse.jpg"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5321724847382741330" style="FLOAT: right; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; WIDTH: 320px; CURSOR: pointer; HEIGHT: 240px" alt="" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/SdqQjZCeQVI/AAAAAAAAAII/_NnBeCqQJgs/s320/sad+horse.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Verdana;color:black;"&gt;Well put, Coalition! &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;color:black;"&gt;The industry likes to say that they retire all of their horses who can no longer work ... that they have a place for them to retire. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;color:black;"&gt;But that would be physically and financially impossible. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;color:black;"&gt;Each year about 70 horses or 1/3 of the total number of horses in the NYC trade, leaves the horse registry managed by the Department of Health, which oversees the industry. Let's do the math. If the drivers would "adopt" all of these horses ... in five years, they would have 350 horses; 10 years - 700 horses ... and on and on. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;color:black;"&gt;Where would they all go? How could they afford to pay for their upkeep? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;color:black;"&gt;It simply does not make sense. And it is time to stop all the lies. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Verdana;color:black;"&gt;WHAT PROBABLY HAPPENS IS THIS: &lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;color:black;"&gt;- some of the horses who are "retired" - the favorites - are kept by the owners or they find a home for them ... but this is not the majority since keeping horses is both expensive and time consuming. &lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;color:black;"&gt;- the majority of horses who are no longer wanted are taken to auction or to a broker -- or maybe to the Amish - not exactly known for their compassion to animals. The driver/owner needs to recoup the value of the horse he is getting rid of so he can purchase a new one to work in NYC. This is a business after all, not a not-for-profit horse rescue. Selling the horse is the obvious solution. &lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;color:black;"&gt;- However, some of the horses going to auction are purchased by killer buyers who frequent auctions like New Holland and &lt;span id="SPELLING_ERROR_1"&gt;&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error"&gt;Unadilla&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; and ship them off to slaughter.&lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;color:black;"&gt;- The driver/owners can say what ever they want about where their horse go. Without proof, it simply does not fly. This is the law in black and white. It is from &lt;span id="SPELLING_ERROR_2"&gt;&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected"&gt;the NYC&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; Administrative Code - Title 17. &lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;§ 17-329 Disposition of licensed horse&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;i&gt;. The department shall be notified of the transfer of ownership or other disposition of a licensed horse within ten days thereafter. Such notice shall include the date of disposition and if sold in New York city, the name and address of the buyer or other transferee and such other information as the commissioner may prescribe. A horse shall not be sold or disposed of except in a humane manner.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;color:black;"&gt;Notice that the law is written in such a way that it favors the industry. It does not provide a definition for "humane." And it only requires that records of horses sold within New York City be submitted to the Department of Health. But if the horse is sold outside NYC, sales records are not required to be submitted.&lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;color:black;"&gt;Now, doesn't this seem strange to you? Why would records be required for a sale in NYC when it is mostly drivers who buy each others horses -- and not required when sold out of state? &lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;color:black;"&gt;Here's the answer. &lt;u1:p&gt;&lt;/u1:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;color:black;"&gt;The "no sale records" required policy is necessary to protect the industry selling their horses at the auctions. They know that if this became public knowledge, it would not go over well with people. How many horses actually go to auction is not know because of this glitch. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;color:black;"&gt;But sometimes, as in the case of “Manhattan” we find out about it. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:100%;color:black;"&gt;We are very glad Manhattan appears to be getting well. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:0;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;meta content="text/html; charset=utf-8" equiv="Content-Type"&gt;&lt;meta content="Word.Document" name="ProgId"&gt;&lt;meta content="Microsoft Word 9" name="Generator"&gt;&lt;meta content="Microsoft Word 9" name="Originator"&gt;&lt;link href="file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/ELIZAB%7E1/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msoclip1/01/clip_filelist.xml" rel="File-List"&gt;&lt;style&gt; 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Holly Cheever; Tony Avella; horse spooking; NY City Council; Coalition to Ban Horse-Drawn Carriages'/><title type='text'>HOLLY CHEEVER, DVM  TESTIFIES FOR NYC</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/SbPDwnrOyvI/AAAAAAAAAHk/bUnwt_8D8_w/s1600-h/Dec+3+-+CPS+133.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; float: right; cursor: pointer; width: 240px; height: 320px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/SbPDwnrOyvI/AAAAAAAAAHk/bUnwt_8D8_w/s320/Dec+3+-+CPS+133.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5310803625651391218" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For those of you who missed out on the January 30th hearing of the NYC Council on Consumer Affairs, we would like to share with the  testimony offered by &lt;a href="http://www.banhdc.org/archives/news-testimonyHC.shtml"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Holly Cheever, DVM.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;   Dr. Cheever is a well known equine specialist and has much experience with the industry and legislation  in many cities.   Similar  testimonies can be found on the &lt;a href="http://www.banhdc.org/archives/news-testimony20090130.shtml"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;web site of the Coalition to Ban Horse-Drawn Carriages &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;with whom we closely work.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;from Dr. Cheever: &lt;/span&gt; I am writing to request your support for &lt;a href="http://www.tonyavellaformayor.com/"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Council member Tony Avella&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;’s &lt;a href="http://webdocs.nyccouncil.info/textfiles/Int%200658-2007.htm?CFID=2708349&amp;amp;CFTOKEN=71630988"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Bill #658-A&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; , which would ban carriage horse operations in New York City. My nationwide expertise in the area of carriage horse use has shown that New York’s tourist trade provides the most dangerous environment with myriad inherent factors that make this tourist attraction in 21st century Manhattan an inappropriate anachronism.. There are inherent dangers for horse drawn carriages in this city with its high population density and overwhelming traffic volume, contained within airless canyons of tall buildings that make the horses’ lives inhumane.&lt;p&gt;·    Constant pounding on hard paves streets exacerbates lameness, especially for horses coming from previous work settings (Amish farms and Standardbred racing tracks) with pre-existing lameness.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;·    The street surfaces can reach 200 degrees Fahrenheit in the summer, and the ground level ambient air can be 41 degrees higher than the temperature cited by the U.S. Weather Bureau according to a Cornell University study. No wonder New York has lost horses to heat prostration deaths, especially since clean water sources for drinking are inadequate and not maintained.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;·    This industry’s busiest season coincides with cold and precipitous weather, and horses can get exposed to extremes of temperature and bad weather at both ends of the scale.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;·    The horses’ lives are spent nose-to-tailpipe, which causes respiratory damage and is a noxious environment in which to spend their long shifts.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;·    Since horses instinctively flee at top speed in frightening circumstances due to their evolution as prey animals escaping from predators, their reaction to startling situations  creates a scenario where a 1200 to 1800 pound horse hurtles in senseless panic into a busy intersection. The outcome is obvious and inescapable, and has been a constant  source of their injuries, some of which are fatal. Passengers, too,  have been severely wounded and even killed. For any carriage horse operators in New York claiming that their horses are “unspookable”, I will reply that there is no such animal.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;·    Finally, New York City’s stables are old and inadequate; some house horses on 2nd and 3rd floors and are made of shoddy construction with insufficient light and air. Worst of all, there is no “turn out”. i.e. the essential daily turning horses loose in a paddock or corral to permit them to scratch, stretch, lie down and roll. Their exceedingly restricted lives prevent them from expressing any of these natural and essential behaviors, and getting the alleged “three months vacation on a farm” in no way makes up for this lack of physical freedom of movement.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Please bring an end to this industry and replace it with some of the proposed alternatives that could employ the horse carriage work force, entertain tourists without producing animal abuse in the process.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Thank you for your attention in this matter.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-6834786800210204841?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/6834786800210204841/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7693697089040184548&amp;postID=6834786800210204841' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/6834786800210204841'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/6834786800210204841'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2009/03/holly-cheever-dvm-testifies-for-nyc.html' title='HOLLY CHEEVER, DVM  TESTIFIES FOR NYC'/><author><name>Oliver</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/SbPDwnrOyvI/AAAAAAAAAHk/bUnwt_8D8_w/s72-c/Dec+3+-+CPS+133.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-6203633667781868031</id><published>2009-03-01T18:36:00.002-05:00</published><updated>2009-03-01T18:38:26.040-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='carriage horse rides; carriage rides central park; horse drawn carriage;  nyc tourism; visit new york city'/><title type='text'>TOURIST AMBASSADOR COMPETITION </title><content type='html'>&lt;meta equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"&gt;&lt;meta name="ProgId" content="Word.Document"&gt;&lt;meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 9"&gt;&lt;meta name="Originator" content="Microsoft Word 9"&gt;&lt;!--[if gte mso 9]&gt;&lt;xml&gt;  &lt;w:worddocument&gt;   &lt;w:view&gt;Normal&lt;/w:View&gt;   &lt;w:zoom&gt;0&lt;/w:Zoom&gt;   &lt;w:donotoptimizeforbrowser/&gt;  &lt;/w:WordDocument&gt; &lt;/xml&gt;&lt;![endif]--&gt;&lt;style&gt; &lt;!--  /* Font Definitions */ @font-face 	{font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; 	mso-font-alt:"MS Mincho"; 	mso-font-charset:128; 	mso-generic-font-family:swiss; 	mso-font-pitch:variable; 	mso-font-signature:-1 -369098753 63 0 4129279 0;} @font-face 	{font-family:"\@Arial Unicode MS"; 	mso-font-charset:128; 	mso-generic-font-family:swiss; 	mso-font-pitch:variable; 	mso-font-signature:-1 -369098753 63 0 4129279 0;}  /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal 	{mso-style-parent:""; 	margin:0in; 	margin-bottom:.0001pt; 	mso-pagination:widow-orphan; 	font-size:11.0pt; 	mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt; 	font-family:Arial; 	mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; 	mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";} h3 	{margin-right:0in; 	mso-margin-top-alt:auto; 	mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; 	margin-left:0in; 	mso-pagination:widow-orphan; 	mso-outline-level:3; 	font-size:13.5pt; 	font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink 	{color:blue; 	text-decoration:underline; 	text-underline:single;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed 	{color:purple; 	text-decoration:underline; 	text-underline:single;} span.post-authorvcard 	{mso-style-name:"post-author vcard";} span.fn 	{mso-style-name:fn;} span.post-timestamp 	{mso-style-name:post-timestamp;} span.post-comment-link 	{mso-style-name:post-comment-link;} span.item-controlblog-adminpid-1683922208 	{mso-style-name:"item-control blog-admin pid-1683922208";} span.post-labels 	{mso-style-name:post-labels;} @page Section1 	{size:8.5in 11.0in; 	margin:1.0in .7in 1.0in .7in; 	mso-header-margin:.5in; 	mso-footer-margin:.5in; 	mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 	{page:Section1;} --&gt; &lt;/style&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"&gt;Damn - I just knew this would happen. Now we have two drivers who believe they should be the Tourist Ambassador to New York City. Both are featured in youtube videos.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Which one would NYC and Company, the Administration's tourist agency, like best? Which one would Council Member Oliver Koppell like best? After all, he loves this industry and would probably want to weigh in on the selection.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Which one do you like best? It is a very tough choice.&lt;span style=";font-family:&amp;quot;;font-size:12;"  &gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Warning: this is for adult ears only. &lt;/b&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The first contender, we shall call him Tie-die, demonstrates his ability to engage passersby. See him in &lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGbTb1tOLKc"&gt;&lt;b&gt;his own feature film. &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Notice how he leaves his horse unattended while he hysterically runs down the street.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The second contender shall be known as OJ. He practices his use of the English language and also demonstrates his ability to speak with tourists. He has a very large vocabulary. He also stars in &lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbZR4FZZQRM"&gt;&lt;b&gt;his own feature film. &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;I hate to think what he does to his horse when he is upset, which is probably often. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The administration is rightfully proud of this tourist attraction.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-6203633667781868031?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/6203633667781868031/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7693697089040184548&amp;postID=6203633667781868031' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/6203633667781868031'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/6203633667781868031'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2009/03/tourist-ambassador-competition.html' title='TOURIST AMBASSADOR COMPETITION '/><author><name>Oliver</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-2867577799121619959</id><published>2009-02-22T12:34:00.009-05:00</published><updated>2009-03-02T15:06:11.006-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='tourism nyc'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='carriage horses'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='central park carriages; travel to NYC; tourist rip off;'/><title type='text'>TOURIST AMBASSADOR TO NYC</title><content type='html'>&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/SaFBpVhSWcI/AAAAAAAAATA/dNMq007asis/s1600-h/Frank+Rodden+2.jpg"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5305594014426356162" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; float: right; width: 275px; cursor: pointer; height: 168px;" alt="" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/SaFBpVhSWcI/AAAAAAAAATA/dNMq007asis/s400/Frank+Rodden+2.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Many of us want to see an end to the horse and buggy trade in NYC for numerous, pragmatic&lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;reasons, which run the gamut from inhumane to safety considerations. These 19th century slow moving conveyances do not belong in a 21st century congested city.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But now, in order to save this self dubbed "iconic" trade, the NYC Tourist Board has appointed a new Tourist Ambassador to NYC ... and it is someone of whom the city can be proud. NYC's new Ambassador was chosen for this position out of a long list of very worthy candidates. He outshone the rest because of his outgoing and dynamic personality and his proven willingness to make threatening, intimidating and bullying telephone calls to companies that dare to put out an advertising campaign that might negatively affect his industry. Mr. Tourist Ambassador feels no compunction about calling people fascists if they protest the use of horse-drawn carriages. However, let's be very clear about what constitutes "fascism." It apparently is not when you bully restaurants from having fundraisers (as happened to my friends at the Coalition to Ban HDCs). And it is not when you try to close down a mild mannered photography show about carriage horses. There callers threatened to call the Cardinal and to have protests unless that show was shut down. And it certainly is not when you threaten journalists to kill a story. But, hey ... all's fair in love and war... right?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A man of many talents, Mr. Tourist Ambassador recently produced and directed this short video, which can be seen on Youtube called&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEye9ylY8ew&amp;amp;feature=channel_page"&gt; "Animal Rights Protest at Central Park On Valentines Day. Escorted by armed aspca officers." &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;It is Academy Award material.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Notice how Mr. TA charmingly interacts with people on the street; his acclaimed skill in multitasking ... he is, after all, &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;standing up while filming the protesters, which is not an easy feat .&lt;/span&gt;.. not paying attention to the street. Notice how he is on a first name basis with some of the activists -- see just how really charming he is. The City did the right thing in selecting him to be the Tourist Ambassador.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, since our multitasker was not paying attention to the road, he ran his carriage into a traffic cone, which identified a pot hole. But not to worry. He received no ticket, no citation. After all he has diplomatic privileges. And the ASPCA officer claimed to be looking the other way. Funny - seems like the Department of Consumer Affairs, Department of Health, Parks, NYPD and most Council Members look the other way also.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Notice also his quaint and clever use of nick names for activists in general - his favorite is "Petards." This child like behavior is what makes him so charming and the perfect tourist ambassador. It is like writing your name backward - Junior high school stuff.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/SaFMV1rN8qI/AAAAAAAAATQ/j212B921pMs/s1600-h/horse+eating+on+ice+2.jpg"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5305605774088467106" style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; width: 265px; cursor: pointer; height: 200px;" alt="" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/SaFMV1rN8qI/AAAAAAAAATQ/j212B921pMs/s400/horse+eating+on+ice+2.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;The drivers use the name "PETA" as generic for animal activists. But the play on the word "retards" is actually cruel and insulting to those who really have physical and mental developmental problems. But Mr. Tourist Ambassador is still in Junior High school mode so does not comprehend this kind of advanced thinking.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This very classy presentation on why tourists should take a carriage ride should be submitted to Frommer's. &lt;span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"&gt;Oh, yes I forgot -&lt;/span&gt; Frommer's lists carriage rides under &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;"NYC Experiences to Avoid."&lt;/span&gt; From Frommer's: &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"Pity those poor beasts of burden. They get dragged out in the heat (although not extreme heat) and cold (although not extreme cold) with a buggy attached to them just to give passengers the feel of an old-world, romantic buggy ride through Central Park. But the horses look so forlorn, as if it's the last thing they want to do." &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;JD Jackson of Texas wrote about the video&lt;/span&gt; "&lt;strong style="font-weight: normal; font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:georgia,serif;"&gt;Since I saw the same ASPCA guy several times but with different people around him, I'm assuming the driver only filmed when he went by the spot where ya'll were protesting. That means not once or twice, but MANY times the driver subjected his different riders to his rant. Good. That ought to cut down on repeat customers. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong style="font-weight: normal; font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:georgia,serif;"&gt;So much for a "charming" carriage ride.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong style="font-weight: normal; font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:georgia,serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;font-size:130%;" &gt;Who is this masked man?? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This driver had a starring role in a video showing him attacking Peta employees. See it on &lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?swf=http%3A//s.ytimg.com/yt/swf/cps-vfl79327.swf&amp;amp;video_id=HRjg6851DrI&amp;amp;rel=1&amp;amp;eurl=&amp;amp;iurl=http%3A//i1.ytimg.com/vi/HRjg6851DrI/hqdefault.jpg&amp;amp;sk=1mzIp1mkX4kgHSJao_q-QuAFPEMh5-cyC&amp;amp;use_get_video_info=1&amp;amp;load_modules=1&amp;amp;fs=1&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;cr=US&amp;amp;avg_rating=3.85714285714&amp;amp;length_seconds=30&amp;amp;allow_ratings=1&amp;amp;title=Anti-Carriage%20Horse%20Activists%20Attacked"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;You Tube. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_aCqKTLnwjCM/Saw7xQAFX9I/AAAAAAAAABI/1SC18eKzZPQ/s1600-h/knarf.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="cursor: pointer; width: 184px; height: 184px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_aCqKTLnwjCM/Saw7xQAFX9I/AAAAAAAAABI/1SC18eKzZPQ/s200/knarf.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5308683778057920466" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Can you name him?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/Sav-8iS9YYI/AAAAAAAAAHc/q5IQZgc6OMk/s1600-h/driver.jpg"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/Sav-8iS9YYI/AAAAAAAAAHc/q5IQZgc6OMk/s1600-h/driver.jpg"&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/Sav-g5_ZXaI/AAAAAAAAAHU/qyz06VOZGpE/s1600-h/driver.jpg"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/Sav-g5_ZXaI/AAAAAAAAAHU/qyz06VOZGpE/s1600-h/driver.jpg"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/Sav-g5_ZXaI/AAAAAAAAAHU/qyz06VOZGpE/s1600-h/driver.jpg"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/Sav-g5_ZXaI/AAAAAAAAAHU/qyz06VOZGpE/s1600-h/driver.jpg"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-2867577799121619959?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/2867577799121619959/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7693697089040184548&amp;postID=2867577799121619959' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/2867577799121619959'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/2867577799121619959'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2009/02/tourist-ambassador-to-nyc.html' title='TOURIST AMBASSADOR TO NYC'/><author><name>Oliver</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/SaFBpVhSWcI/AAAAAAAAATA/dNMq007asis/s72-c/Frank+Rodden+2.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-1300453280228206080</id><published>2009-02-13T18:10:00.002-05:00</published><updated>2009-02-13T18:12:49.483-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='central park carriages; travel to NYC; Valentine&apos;s Day; carriage horses; tourist rip off; David Weprin'/><title type='text'>DON'T GET TAKEN FOR A RIDE!</title><content type='html'>&lt;div&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/SZLMVL-QfAI/AAAAAAAAAG0/fP5Uz9l2dI4/s1600-h/thief.jpg"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5301524375731731458" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; float: right; width: 187px; cursor: pointer; height: 190px;" alt="" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/SZLMVL-QfAI/AAAAAAAAAG0/fP5Uz9l2dI4/s320/thief.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;TOURISTS &amp;amp; NEW YORKERS&lt;/strong&gt;:  Read this before you take a carriage ride.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;The carriage industry is pleading poverty and asking for a rate increase. The existing law allows them to charge $34 for 1/2 hour and $10 for each additional 15 minutes. They "claim" to not have had a raise in 20 years. &lt;span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"&gt;Believe that and I have a bridge to sell you. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The truth is the industry has &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;conveniently given themselves a hefty raise&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;/span&gt; I mean why wait for the City Council to act ... right? No one cares anyway and the industry continues to get away with highway robbery. They are out of control. The law enforcers and overseers are either not able or willing to do the job. These industry folk might as well be wearing masks and carrying sawed offs.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Department of Consumer Affairs, charged with protecting consumers, looks the other way as do most of the Council Members. &lt;span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"&gt;And it is not like they do not know. &lt;/span&gt;Council Member David Weprin, who actually wants to be our next comptroller, knows and by his inaction and support of Intro 653-A, gives his tacit approval to fraud. &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What a city! And you sure you want to come here?&lt;/span&gt; Hold on to your wallet when you do because no one in authority will help.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;OK - SO HERE ARE THE FACTS&lt;/span&gt;: It is one thing that many drivers overcharge on the street. That is bad enough. See this &lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSun_1Ly6ro&amp;amp;feature=related"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Youtube video&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; that documents the overcharging. Some drivers actually charge sales tax when it is not even required. Anything to cheat the tourist and get more money. And BTW - it is a cash only business on the street so they do not have to report all they earn.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"&gt;But the real kicker is how much they charge on their company web sites. &lt;/span&gt;Try &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.gothamcarriages.com/"&gt;Gotham Carriages&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/span&gt;- You will see that they are currently charging $98 for 40 minutes and $78 for 30 minutes. Outrageous. And look at this web site -&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a style="font-weight: bold;" href="http://www.nytours.us/tours/tourType.cfm?ttid2=2873&amp;amp;gclid=CNbX65S00JcCFQu-GgodkVhxDw"&gt;New York Tours. &lt;/a&gt;$104.95 for 40 minutes. And another ride is listed for $173.95 for 40 minutes. Totally Outrageous. It should only be about $44 (that is $34 for 1/2 hour with $10 each additional 15 minutes.) There are no exceptions and no loopholes. So what gives!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now it is possible by the time you look into these sites, they will be down. Not to fear ... we made copies and we have made our complaints. It remains to be seen how well connected this industry is and how deep the corruption is ... whether any action will be taken at all.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/SZSx5e_BzpI/AAAAAAAAAG8/H_8PwlP38Hw/s1600-h/Nose+to+taiilpipe+2.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 240px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/SZSx5e_BzpI/AAAAAAAAAG8/H_8PwlP38Hw/s320/Nose+to+taiilpipe+2.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5302058262449999506" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;New Yorkers and Tourists beware! &lt;span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"&gt;We hope you do not take a ride on Valentine's Day or any other day&lt;/span&gt;. However, if you are being charged more than the $34 for 1/2 hour and $10 for each additional 15 minutes - &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;BY LAW!!!!! &lt;/span&gt;- then you are being overcharged. And you should not accept this fraud.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Contact Mayor Michael Bloomberg by &lt;a href="http://newpennstation.org/site/contact/bloomberg"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;clicking on his web site. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;See the box "Contact the Mayor." Or you may dial 311 to make a complaint by phone.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And visit the web site of The Coalition to Ban Horse-Drawn Carriages for more information.  If you are a tourist, look at &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.banhdc.org/archives/news-20080831.shtml"&gt;this link in particular&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/span&gt;for information on what to see. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;For information concerning the facts  about the industry, &lt;a href="http://www.banhdc.org/archives/news-testimony20090130.shtml"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;read the testimony&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; that was given at the recent Council hearing on January 30th.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Good luck!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-1300453280228206080?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/1300453280228206080/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7693697089040184548&amp;postID=1300453280228206080' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/1300453280228206080'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/1300453280228206080'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2009/02/dont-get-taken-for-ride.html' title='DON&apos;T GET TAKEN FOR A RIDE!'/><author><name>Oliver</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/SZLMVL-QfAI/AAAAAAAAAG0/fP5Uz9l2dI4/s72-c/thief.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-1628680343915544319</id><published>2009-01-24T07:18:00.009-05:00</published><updated>2009-01-24T07:59:06.850-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='City Council; Tony Avella; public hearing'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='carriage horses; horse stables; NYC'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='carriage horses; Liam Neeson'/><title type='text'>GENNARO REMOVES HIS NAME FROM INDUSTRY BILL + LIAM'S NEW DIGS</title><content type='html'>Hey - I see  that Council Member James Gennaro took his name off the industry bill.   He is no longer the prime sponsor or even on the bill - Intro 653-A.  Very  interesting.  Maybe he saw the light.  Maybe he saw &lt;a href="http://www.blindersthemovie.com/"&gt;Blinders:  the truth behind the tradition&lt;/a&gt;.  Maybe he really has a conscience.  Go James ... I think.  Maybe someone should ask him in person since he is on the Consumer Affairs Committee and will be one of the Council Members listening to testimony at the public hearing on Friday, January 30th.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"&gt;Yes - don't forget to come to the hearing - January 30, 2009 -  be there at 9:30 -- City Hall - 2nd&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;floor Council Chambers.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But then, maybe Gennaro  will be a no show so the drivers will not chase him around City Hall Park as they did to Dryfoos back in the day.  CM Dryfoos was the sponsor of an anti industry bill.  CM Avella - we advise you to wear your sneakers, just in case.  CM Gennaro - you are on your own.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/SXsKS0fc7EI/AAAAAAAAASQ/CdjRLQZKmYw/s1600-h/FOR+POSTER.JPG"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 196px; height: 219px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/SXsKS0fc7EI/AAAAAAAAASQ/CdjRLQZKmYw/s400/FOR+POSTER.JPG" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5294837105348635714" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And on to Liam Neeson, who is saying anything to defend the carriage industry.  On the &lt;a href="http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/index.jhtml?episodeId=216557"&gt;Daily Show&lt;/a&gt; the other night, in talking about the stables, he said they were so neat and clean that &lt;span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"&gt;"I would move in tomorrow."&lt;/span&gt;  OK Liam, we dare you. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Liam's new digs to the left - wonder what floor he is on.  Love the windows.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;And here is Liam's Living Room with galley kitchen to the left.         I think he needs an area rug   and some pictures on the walls.  Maybe flowers would brighten it up a bit.  Architectural Digest material?   ....   maybe with a little paint.     &lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/SXsMJotbD5I/AAAAAAAAASo/J8ebmJaLoNw/s1600-h/CHATEAU+INTERIOR+STABLE+-+2.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="cursor: pointer; width: 298px; height: 223px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/SXsMJotbD5I/AAAAAAAAASo/J8ebmJaLoNw/s400/CHATEAU+INTERIOR+STABLE+-+2.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5294839146590441362" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt; &lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/SXsNAWtAp6I/AAAAAAAAASw/q8LFhRnF384/s1600-h/carriage%2520horse%2520on%2520ramp.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; float: right; cursor: pointer; width: 294px; height: 220px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/SXsNAWtAp6I/AAAAAAAAASw/q8LFhRnF384/s400/carriage%2520horse%2520on%2520ramp.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5294840086649677730" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Because this is a non elevator building (the latest rage), Liam will have to walk a steep ramp to get to&lt;br /&gt;his living quarters.  I hope his legs are strong&lt;br /&gt;enough.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/SXsK2hOO8KI/AAAAAAAAASY/0FmtUGq4wPI/s1600-h/CHATEAU+INTERIOR+STABLE+-+2.jpg"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-1628680343915544319?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/1628680343915544319/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7693697089040184548&amp;postID=1628680343915544319' title='6 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/1628680343915544319'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/1628680343915544319'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2009/01/gennaro-removes-his-name-from-industry.html' title='GENNARO REMOVES HIS NAME FROM INDUSTRY BILL + LIAM&apos;S NEW DIGS'/><author><name>Elizabeth Forel</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/SXsKS0fc7EI/AAAAAAAAASQ/CdjRLQZKmYw/s72-c/FOR+POSTER.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>6</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-7061016609647113827</id><published>2009-01-10T17:33:00.009-05:00</published><updated>2009-01-10T17:48:01.036-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='carriage horses; City Council; Tony Avella; public hearing'/><title type='text'>PUBLIC HEARING FOR CARRIAGE HORSE BILL </title><content type='html'>&lt;meta equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"&gt;&lt;meta name="ProgId" content="Word.Document"&gt;&lt;meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 9"&gt;&lt;meta name="Originator" content="Microsoft Word 9"&gt;&lt;link rel="File-List" href="file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/ELIZAB%7E1/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msoclip1/02/clip_filelist.xml"&gt;&lt;!--[if gte mso 9]&gt;&lt;xml&gt;  &lt;w:worddocument&gt;   &lt;w:view&gt;Normal&lt;/w:View&gt;   &lt;w:zoom&gt;0&lt;/w:Zoom&gt;   &lt;w:donotoptimizeforbrowser/&gt;  &lt;/w:WordDocument&gt; &lt;/xml&gt;&lt;![endif]--&gt;&lt;style&gt; &lt;!--  /* Font Definitions */ @font-face 	{font-family:Verdana; 	panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4; 	mso-font-charset:0; 	mso-generic-font-family:swiss; 	mso-font-pitch:variable; 	mso-font-signature:536871559 0 0 0 415 0;}  /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal 	{mso-style-parent:""; 	margin:0in; 	margin-bottom:.0001pt; 	mso-pagination:widow-orphan; 	font-size:12.0pt; 	font-family:"Times New Roman"; 	mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink 	{color:blue; 	text-decoration:underline; 	text-underline:single;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed 	{color:purple; 	text-decoration:underline; 	text-underline:single;} p 	{margin-right:0in; 	mso-margin-top-alt:auto; 	mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; 	margin-left:0in; 	mso-pagination:widow-orphan; 	font-size:12.0pt; 	font-family:"Times New Roman"; 	mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} @page Section1 	{size:8.5in 11.0in; 	margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; 	mso-header-margin:.5in; 	mso-footer-margin:.5in; 	mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 	{page:Section1;} --&gt; &lt;/style&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-size:85%;color:black;"  &gt;The Consumer Affairs Committee public hearing on the carriage horse bills has been rescheduled for &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Friday, January 30, 2009 &lt;/span&gt;at 10:00 AM in Council Chambers. This is on the 2&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0"&gt;nd&lt;/span&gt; floor of City Hall. As of this date, both &lt;a href="http://webdocs.nyccouncil.info/textfiles/Int%200658-2007.htm?CFID=2666710&amp;amp;CFTOKEN=29983883"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Intro 658/2007 &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;(&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1"&gt;Avella&lt;/span&gt;) and &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=joy6fwcab.0.0.zy7asxbab.0&amp;amp;ts=S0381&amp;amp;p=http%3A%2F%2Fwebdocs.nyccouncil.info%2Ftextfiles%2FInt%25200653-2007.htm%3FCFID%3D2666710%26CFTOKEN%3D29983883"&gt;Intro 653-A/2007 &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;(&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_2"&gt;Gennaro&lt;/span&gt;) will be on the agenda. Intro 658 seeks to ban the industry. Intro 653-A is an industry bill and must be opposed.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-size:85%;color:black;"  &gt;Please come to the hearing ... it is open to everyone ... and please consider providing testimony in support of Avella's bill as to why the industry should be banned.  Testimony cannot be longer than two minutes. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" face="arial"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-size:85%;color:black;"  &gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt; &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-size:85%;color:black;"  &gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;color:black;"  &gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Verdana;color:black;"  &gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-7061016609647113827?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/7061016609647113827/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7693697089040184548&amp;postID=7061016609647113827' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/7061016609647113827'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/7061016609647113827'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2009/01/public-hearing-for-carriage-horse-bill.html' title='PUBLIC HEARING FOR CARRIAGE HORSE BILL '/><author><name>Oliver</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-9008089488536608740</id><published>2008-10-13T08:14:00.021-04:00</published><updated>2008-10-13T09:48:39.191-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='carriage horses; coalition to ban horse-drawn carriages; horses'/><title type='text'>COALITION TO BAN HORSE-DRAWN CARRIAGES  FUND-RAISING PARTY ON OCTOBER 14TH</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/SPNAl7TlrGI/AAAAAAAAAFg/DPIbvj2PXT0/s1600-h/Teddy+smiling.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; float: right; cursor: pointer; width: 296px; height: 222px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/SPNAl7TlrGI/AAAAAAAAAFg/DPIbvj2PXT0/s320/Teddy+smiling.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5256616210390690914" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have been very busy as of late helping my friends at the Coalition to Ban Horse-Drawn Carriages with their fund raiser, which is tomorrow, October 14th.  I hope you can make it.  They are a very hard working all volunteer group that is making a difference with this issue.  Before they began, there had been no discussion about how inhumane this industry is  since maybe 1994.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When I found out that their first choice of venue caved into pressure from the carriage industry and canceled their benefit, I went to work to find another place for them.  I never liked the first restaurant anyway.  It was an odd space ... much too cramped for their needs.  So I called my friends at Mantra and voila!  a new venue.  And these folks are very supportive of this cause.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So here it is:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Date:&lt;/span&gt;  Tuesday October 14, 2007&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Time:&lt;/span&gt;  6PM to 10PM&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Where:&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Mantra986 &lt;/span&gt; at 986 Second Avenue between 52nd and 53rd St. - 2nd floor&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Tickets:&lt;/span&gt;  $30 if you &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.banhdc.org/donate.shtml"&gt;pay on line&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;  And $40 at the door.  A great deal for great talent and great vegan food from the finest restaurants in New York City ..... and a great cause!!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"&gt;Their invitation reads:  &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);font-family:Trebuchet MS,Verdana,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10;"  &gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Coalition to Ban Horse-Drawn Carriages is hosting its second fund- raising party at Mantra986 on Second Avenue in Manhattan to benefit the Coalition's mission of abolishing the inhumane carriage horse industry in New York City.  Please join us for an enjoyable and fun-filled evening as we celebrate our accomplishments and raise money to help continue our campaign efforts.  And please check out our &lt;a style="font-weight: bold;" href="http://www.banhdc.blogspot.com/"&gt;online Silent Auction catalog.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt; "&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Council Member Tony Avella will be a special guest.  Donny Moss, director of "Blinders:the truth behind the tradition" will speak about the making of his film.  Entertainment includes Fiona Walsh, Irish comic and animal activist who will be the MC; singers Joy Askew and Nellie McKay and comics Ann Design and Liam McNeaney.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);font-family:Trebuchet MS,Verdana,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:100%;"  &gt;"The party will feature an enticing array of vegan hors d'oeuvres from Blossom, Candle 79, Caravan of Dreams, Franchia,  Mantra 986, Pongol, Streit's Bakery, VP2, VSpot, Wendy Berkovits Vegan Chef, Whole Earth Bakery and Zen Palate  --  a cash bar, and a silent auction of appealing and interesting items to be sold to the highest bidder.  All proceeds will support the Coalition's various campaigns aimed at ending the suffering of the carriage horse. "&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"&gt;See you there!  Let's Party!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;BTW - the horse above is Big Boy Teddy.  He is a rescued carriage horses now living in Massachusetts.  He is one happy, heel kicking boy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;O &lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style="color: rgb(102, 102, 102);font-family:Trebuchet MS,Verdana,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:85%;"  &gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-9008089488536608740?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/9008089488536608740/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7693697089040184548&amp;postID=9008089488536608740' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/9008089488536608740'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/9008089488536608740'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2008/10/coalition-to-ban-horse-drawn-carriages.html' title='COALITION TO BAN HORSE-DRAWN CARRIAGES  FUND-RAISING PARTY ON OCTOBER 14TH'/><author><name>Oliver</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/SPNAl7TlrGI/AAAAAAAAAFg/DPIbvj2PXT0/s72-c/Teddy+smiling.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-4363036032808762247</id><published>2008-09-01T17:06:00.018-04:00</published><updated>2008-09-01T17:40:43.887-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='weddings'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='carriage horses'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Tony Avella'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='City Council'/><title type='text'>CHAOS IN BROOKLYN AS WEDDING HORSES SPOOK</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/SLxdrr1NNHI/AAAAAAAAAPQ/W2tWqEmv7kg/s1600-h/alg_carriage-accident.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 321px; height: 200px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/SLxdrr1NNHI/AAAAAAAAAPQ/W2tWqEmv7kg/s400/alg_carriage-accident.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5241167071434060914" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Double Trouble?  or unwitting victims of horse slavery?  (hint - it's the latter.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So once again, we learn that two horses spooked while waiting to deliver a bride and groom to their "fantasy" wedding.   Romantic?  hardly.  What was it this time -- a basket ball, a loud noise; rustling leaves?  These 1,500 pound horses nearly caused a very serious accident after they tore down the street in panic, jumping on to a car.  That car belonged to a family of several adults and one baby who narrowly managed to get out of the way.    It is not known how badly injured the driver or horses are -- although the newspapers seemed to play this down.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;City Council:  are you paying attention?&lt;/span&gt;  Or are you too interested in plotting how to extend term limits or abolish them altogether so you can keep your jobs?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/SLxd6zvm2oI/AAAAAAAAAPY/b0GU09iQkxo/s1600-h/amd_carriage-horses.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; float: right; cursor: pointer;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/SLxd6zvm2oI/AAAAAAAAAPY/b0GU09iQkxo/s400/amd_carriage-horses.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5241167331256097410" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Just the other day, an elderly man was knocked to the ground by a spooked police horse in San Francisco at Candlestick Park.    The horse panicked when a plastic bag blew in his face and got caught on his bridle. He tore around the parking lot, knocking several people down.   The 49ers fan died several hours later.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;City Council:&lt;/span&gt;  Pass Intro 658 - the bill to ban horse-drawn carriages.  It is past time to do the right thing.  It's only a matter of time before a person dies in NYC.  Then who's going to say "I told you so!"&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-4363036032808762247?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/4363036032808762247/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7693697089040184548&amp;postID=4363036032808762247' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/4363036032808762247'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/4363036032808762247'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2008/09/chaos-in-brooklyn-as-wedding-horses.html' title='CHAOS IN BROOKLYN AS WEDDING HORSES SPOOK'/><author><name>Elizabeth Forel</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/SLxdrr1NNHI/AAAAAAAAAPQ/W2tWqEmv7kg/s72-c/alg_carriage-accident.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-1268091214070258238</id><published>2008-08-29T13:04:00.024-04:00</published><updated>2008-08-29T21:29:16.838-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='carriage horses; horse stables; NYC; inhumane'/><title type='text'>PLAYING STICKS?  NOT FOR NYC CARRIAGE HORSES</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/SLg2btRefVI/AAAAAAAAADQ/3T_tCKzdBdw/s1600-h/ALL+-+OCT+15+270.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; float: right; cursor: pointer; width: 343px; height: 229px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/SLg2btRefVI/AAAAAAAAADQ/3T_tCKzdBdw/s320/ALL+-+OCT+15+270.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5239998016082836818" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;meta equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"&gt;&lt;meta name="ProgId" content="Word.Document"&gt;&lt;meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 9"&gt;&lt;meta name="Originator" content="Microsoft Word 9"&gt;&lt;link rel="File-List" href="file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/ELIZAB%7E1/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msoclip1/01/clip_filelist.xml"&gt;&lt;!--[if gte mso 9]&gt;&lt;xml&gt;  &lt;w:worddocument&gt;   &lt;w:view&gt;Normal&lt;/w:View&gt;   &lt;w:zoom&gt;0&lt;/w:Zoom&gt;   &lt;w:donotoptimizeforbrowser/&gt;  &lt;/w:WordDocument&gt; &lt;/xml&gt;&lt;![endif]--&gt;&lt;style&gt; &lt;!--  /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal 	{mso-style-parent:""; 	margin:0in; 	margin-bottom:.0001pt; 	mso-pagination:widow-orphan; 	font-size:12.0pt; 	font-family:"Times New Roman"; 	mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} @page Section1 	{size:8.5in 11.0in; 	margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; 	mso-header-margin:.5in; 	mso-footer-margin:.5in; 	mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 	{page:Section1;} --&gt; &lt;/style&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXWdue-cOOI&amp;amp;feature=related"&gt;“Horse-Drawn Carriage Ban”&lt;/a&gt; is a short well done video by Jennifer Pham and can be seen on You Tube. It features my friend, Elizabeth Forel, who is the president of the &lt;a href="http://www.banhdc.org/"&gt;Coalition to Ban Horse-Drawn Carriages,&lt;/a&gt; a grass roots organization that is responsible for making this inhumane and archaic industry an issue again after years of non attention.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;"&gt;In the film, Elizabeth describes&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;what free horses do&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;… they have tons of personality unlike the carriage horses she describes as unwitting automatons.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Free horses roll in the dirt and play sticks.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I know the horses she is referring to since I have also met them … Monty, a former Boston Carriage horse&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;- now rescued ,,, and Sugar, his friend, who passed away recently.&lt;span style=""&gt;    They are pictured here enjoying themselves.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;"&gt;But before I describe how this wonderful game is played, I offer a blog entry by a bitter member of the carriage industry who says:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;"E.Forel,please tell me how horses ''play sticks'',I'd like to add that to my editorial in The American Driving Society,and Driving Digest,2 very well known carriage sriving magazines,i'm sure htey would get a good laugh at that."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;"&gt;Her comments&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;speak volumes about how much the &lt;span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"&gt;carriage industry does not know about horse behavior&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Elizabeth goes on to say how the carriage horses are dispirited animals and when they are rescued the light comes back in their eyes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;RULES FOR STICKS&lt;/span&gt;:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Take two free and happy horses not in the carriage industry.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In this case, we have Monty, (white)  ....and Sugar (brown).    One of the horses must already know how to play this game. Sugar learned it from Abe, who is now also at the Rainbow Bridge.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;He taught it to Monty.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;HOW IT WORKS&lt;/span&gt;:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Sugar, generally the instigator, picks a twig up from the ground and goes up to Monty and pokes him with it.  If Money is in the mood, he grabs the stick in his mouth and what follows is a tug of war.    This is what is pictured above.  Really fun to watch them  enjoying this game and each other.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;This is a picture of Monty and Sugar playing in the snow.  They were very good pals and had a ball that day.  NYC carriage horses are not given this opportunity.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/SLg6ZhdIjDI/AAAAAAAAAD4/YceR7jMiu0Y/s1600-h/Sugar+trying+to+get+up.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 252px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/SLg6ZhdIjDI/AAAAAAAAAD4/YceR7jMiu0Y/s320/Sugar+trying+to+get+up.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5240002376597277746" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;"&gt;For those who do  not know:  NYC Carriage horses work in heavy traffic between the shafts of their carriages for nine hours straight, seven days a week.  They do not have any turnout where they can socialize.  Instead, they live in multied storied stables where they access their stalls by ascending a steep ramp.  It is very sad.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;"&gt;For this person to not get that horses really know how to enjoy themselves is outrageous.  And these pictures prove it!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;"&gt;Pictured to the right  is a NYC carriage horse...a horse slave.  His body is covered with glitter; he is wearing a silly head dress and his hoofs are painted with metallic purple paint.  Yes, perhaps the paint is non toxic, but that is not the point.  This horse is not free...not even close.  After dragging&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/SLg_SPj_ezI/AAAAAAAAAEI/8q5DQxrSef0/s1600-h/ALL+-+OCT+15+086.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; float: right; cursor: pointer; width: 213px; height: 206px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/SLg_SPj_ezI/AAAAAAAAAEI/8q5DQxrSef0/s320/ALL+-+OCT+15+086.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5240007749093260082" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;"&gt; tourists around all day, he will go back to his stall and stay there until the next day.  &lt;span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"&gt;Now tell me...What kind of life is that!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/SLg-g0Vpj2I/AAAAAAAAAEA/iF1Km1_CbGU/s1600-h/ALL+-+OCT+15+086.jpg"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-1268091214070258238?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/1268091214070258238/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7693697089040184548&amp;postID=1268091214070258238' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/1268091214070258238'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/1268091214070258238'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2008/08/playing-sticks-not-for-nyc-carriage.html' title='PLAYING STICKS?  NOT FOR NYC CARRIAGE HORSES'/><author><name>Oliver</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/SLg2btRefVI/AAAAAAAAADQ/3T_tCKzdBdw/s72-c/ALL+-+OCT+15+270.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-1346916466754750280</id><published>2008-08-17T07:42:00.022-04:00</published><updated>2008-08-17T08:30:53.584-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='carriage horses; NYC tourism; NYC Council; Christine Quinn;'/><title type='text'>ONE YEAR LATER -- BUSINESS AS USUAL FOR THE HORSES</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/SKgWL2w32DI/AAAAAAAAADI/44WgRwBijQQ/s1600-h/9-8-07+-+horse+standing+in+urine.JPG"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; float: right; cursor: pointer;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/SKgWL2w32DI/AAAAAAAAADI/44WgRwBijQQ/s320/9-8-07+-+horse+standing+in+urine.JPG" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5235458959753074738" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;The  letter below was published recently in &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;Our Town and The West Side Spirit - &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;Manhattan neighborhood  papers.    This reflects our beliefs precisely.  So rather than to reinvent the wheel, we print it gain.  We ask that the City Council take some action on this issue.  For more information, please access the &lt;a href="http://www.comptroller.nyc.gov/bureaus/audit/PDF_FILES/MH07_092A.pdf"&gt;NYC Comptroller's Audit Report&lt;/a&gt; on their web site and read the &lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/06/nyregion/06horses.html?n=Top/Reference/Times%20Topics/Organizations/C/Consumer%20Affairs%20Department"&gt;New York Times&lt;/a&gt; article that addressed this issue.   This  horse  stands in his own waste on the Central Park South hack line.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;" &gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;" &gt;&lt;span style="font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;" &gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;font-family:times new roman;" &gt;8/14/08 -&lt;/span&gt;&lt;b style="font-style: italic; font-family: times new roman;"&gt;Horses Need Summer Break &lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;font-family:times new roman;" &gt;- - It has been a very hot and humid summer.    Uncomfortable for people - but worse for the carriage horses who cannot get any relief.  Kept out in the blazing sun, horses can easily overheat.   As sweat evaporates from the horse's skin, it acts as a cooling mechanism, drawing out some of the surface heat.   But in times of high humidity, it is less efficient.  If the air is humid, sweat will not evaporate.   There is no shade on Central Park South or Grand Army Plaza where the carriage horses line up to accept passengers  - the unforgiving sun beating down on their heads.  They stand there waiting -  with their blinders and heavy tack, between the shafts of their carriage.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The 2007 NYC Comptroller's Audit of the agencies that oversee the industry found that there isn't adequate shade on the hack line and horses risked overheating on the hot asphalt where they were forced to stand.  One year later and nothing has changed.  Existing regulations call for the horses to be returned to their stables when the temperature reaches 90 degrees - humidity is not a consideration.  It can be 89 degrees with humidity making it feel like 95 and the horses are permitted to work.  But equine experts suggest when the combination of temperature and humidity or THI &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0"&gt;&lt;/span&gt; exceeds 130-140, the horses should be off the street.  It is time for the authorities to pay attention to the stress experienced by these horses &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1"&gt;&lt;/span&gt; and at least factor humidity into the existing law.  Elizabeth Forel  &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_2"&gt;&lt;/span&gt; - President Coalition to Ban Horse Drawn Carriages.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-1346916466754750280?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/1346916466754750280/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7693697089040184548&amp;postID=1346916466754750280' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/1346916466754750280'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/1346916466754750280'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2008/08/one-year-later-business-as-usual-for.html' title='ONE YEAR LATER -- BUSINESS AS USUAL FOR THE HORSES'/><author><name>Oliver</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/SKgWL2w32DI/AAAAAAAAADI/44WgRwBijQQ/s72-c/9-8-07+-+horse+standing+in+urine.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-7871288168672109022</id><published>2008-08-09T16:03:00.005-04:00</published><updated>2008-08-09T16:09:31.070-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='carriage horses; horse stables; NYC; inhumane'/><title type='text'>"HUMANE BOX STALL"  sure it is</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/SJ35JvWyFfI/AAAAAAAAAPA/343K0FpwwFA/s1600-h/cropped+west+side+liv+stall.JPG"&gt;&lt;img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/SJ35JvWyFfI/AAAAAAAAAPA/343K0FpwwFA/s400/cropped+west+side+liv+stall.JPG" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5232612287800546802" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This poor horse is not even able to lie down comfortably as she sits in this disgusting, dirty, vile stall, which the carriage industry defends. It is located in the same stable on W. 38th St. pictured below.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For those of you who have horses - could you imagine letting your own beloved horse work in this inhumane industry ... to access her filthy stall by way of a steep ramp? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Pictures do not lie.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-7871288168672109022?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/7871288168672109022/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7693697089040184548&amp;postID=7871288168672109022' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/7871288168672109022'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/7871288168672109022'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2008/08/humane-box-stall-sure-it-is.html' title='&quot;HUMANE BOX STALL&quot;  sure it is'/><author><name>Elizabeth Forel</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/SJ35JvWyFfI/AAAAAAAAAPA/343K0FpwwFA/s72-c/cropped+west+side+liv+stall.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-1522737985199824611</id><published>2008-08-09T10:45:00.002-04:00</published><updated>2008-08-09T10:57:48.214-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Good Weather is Not Good News for the Horses</title><content type='html'>This past week we have gotten relief from the brutally hot weather of July.  When the weather is in the low to mid 80's, I don't worry as much that one of the horses will drop dead from heat prostration, but I still think a lot about their continued wretched existences.  Nothing about their lives is happy, so relief from real temps in the 90's is just one small reprieve in a life of misery.  Not much, however, because even temps in the 80's are too hot for horses in full harness standing in the sun pulling 100's and 100's of pounds.  They do not like the heat.  Furthermore, they still have to work brutal hours in heavy traffic, still have to return to substandard "stables," still have no pasture turn-out, still no time with other horses.  Do they have even a few minutes of contentment in their long, miserable days?  I don't think so.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-1522737985199824611?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/1522737985199824611/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7693697089040184548&amp;postID=1522737985199824611' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/1522737985199824611'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/1522737985199824611'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2008/08/good-weather-is-not-good-news-for.html' title='Good Weather is Not Good News for the Horses'/><author><name>Christine</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04889411031813178738</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-6785165873590542491</id><published>2008-08-09T07:22:00.024-04:00</published><updated>2008-08-09T16:03:14.210-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='carriage horses; horse stables; NYC; inhumane'/><title type='text'>IN DEFENSE OF CRUELTY</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/SJ2HfBfed8I/AAAAAAAAAO4/eALrENpd-cc/s1600-h/carriage%2520horse%2520on%2520ramp.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/SJ2HfBfed8I/AAAAAAAAAO4/eALrENpd-cc/s400/carriage%2520horse%2520on%2520ramp.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5232487309120534466" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The stable pictured below in the August 8th blog is one of the worst for NYC carriage horses -- although the other four are not much better.  Anyone - particularly a driver in the horse and buggy trade who defends these living quarters for their horses - should quietly get out of the business because it is indefensible.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The picture at the right shows a horses ascending a steep ramp (at one of the NYC stables) to access his stall on the upper floor.  This is particularly hard for older horses who may have arthritis - or simply those who have been dragging a carriage around all day.  As a frame of reference, the NYC Building Code requires a 1:12 ratio on ramps for the disabled, which means the slope must not be steeper than 1 inch of rise for every 12 inches of length. This ramp (obviously because of space constraints) is much steeper and therefore that much more uncomfortable and inhumane.   &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A particular defender of the industry (driver/owner) trolls the Internet looking to make comments on various blogs about carriage horses.  He has landed here a few times.   Most recently he actually defended the steep ramps that the horses are required to use &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;"LOL - hell, out at the Hampton Classic they are put to JUMPS 6 feet high! LOL."&lt;/span&gt;      Sad.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Throughout his diatribe, he defensively sprinkles "LOLs" and "LMAOs."   There is nothing funny about "laughing out loud" or "laughing my ass off" when it comes to these horses.  Shame on him.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Defending such an inhumane industry will be their downfall.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-6785165873590542491?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/6785165873590542491/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7693697089040184548&amp;postID=6785165873590542491' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/6785165873590542491'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/6785165873590542491'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2008/08/in-defense-of-cruelty.html' title='IN DEFENSE OF CRUELTY'/><author><name>Elizabeth Forel</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/SJ2HfBfed8I/AAAAAAAAAO4/eALrENpd-cc/s72-c/carriage%2520horse%2520on%2520ramp.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-122903376779506967</id><published>2008-08-08T06:54:00.014-04:00</published><updated>2008-08-08T19:23:50.038-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='carriage horses; horse stables; NYC'/><title type='text'>WHAT IS THIS?!</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/SJzUmF23B-I/AAAAAAAAANY/zTb6kVQ6SGo/s1600-h/FOR+POSTER.JPG"&gt;&lt;img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/SJzUmF23B-I/AAAAAAAAANY/zTb6kVQ6SGo/s320/FOR+POSTER.JPG" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5232290617970067426" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Is it a warehouse?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Is it a factory?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Is it a schoolhouse?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Is it a carriage horse stable?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You are correct if you picked the last choice. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Although many people assume the carriage horses live in Central Park - they do not.  This is just one of five stables to house carriage horses in New York City, located on W. 38th St. between 11th and 12th Avenue.  The others are similar.  Horses live on the upper floors and access their undersized stalls by a steep ramp.  After dragging tourists around all day, they return to their stall and stay there until the next day.  They have no turnout or pasture time.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Life is no walk in the park for NYC's carriage horses.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-122903376779506967?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/122903376779506967/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7693697089040184548&amp;postID=122903376779506967' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/122903376779506967'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/122903376779506967'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2008/08/what-is-this.html' title='WHAT IS THIS?!'/><author><name>Elizabeth Forel</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/SJzUmF23B-I/AAAAAAAAANY/zTb6kVQ6SGo/s72-c/FOR+POSTER.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-8504940172501581163</id><published>2008-08-07T12:15:00.002-04:00</published><updated>2008-08-07T12:20:59.529-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Cruelty is Cruely in Italy Too</title><content type='html'>The internet has been filled with messages this summer about the suffering of the horses pulling carriages and tourists in brutally hot weather in Italy.  Animal protectionists here and in other countries are offering support.  The horse-drawn carriage has already been banned in other big cities all over the world.  It is more than obvious that people who care about the welfare and happiness of animals everywhere realize that the horse-drawn carriage trade is cruel.  What is it going to take for New Yorkers to shut it down in our great city?  Another hideous death of one of these incredible and beautiful but defenseless creatures?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-8504940172501581163?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/8504940172501581163/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7693697089040184548&amp;postID=8504940172501581163' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/8504940172501581163'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/8504940172501581163'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2008/08/cruelty-is-cruely-in-italy-too.html' title='Cruelty is Cruely in Italy Too'/><author><name>Christine</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04889411031813178738</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-6709584198328484700</id><published>2008-07-30T19:32:00.014-04:00</published><updated>2008-07-30T19:56:47.447-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='carriage horses; NYC Council; Christine Quinn'/><title type='text'>NYC CARRIAGE HORSE ISSUE  CONTACTS</title><content type='html'>A recent comment asked for the contact information of those responsible for the NYC carriage industry.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;First of all - please sign the petition to ban horse-drawn carriages in NYC if you have not done so already - click &lt;a href="http://www.petitiononline.com/ch4ny123/"&gt;here. &lt;/a&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is always best to send a snail mail letter; a fax is the second choice with e-mail a distant third because they can easily be deleted.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The head of the City Council is &lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;Speaker Christine Quinn.&lt;/span&gt;  Quinn has the power to hold hearings on Intro 658 (the bill to ban horse-drawn carriages) but has chosen to ignore the bill  in spite of the tremendous number of calls and letters her office has received.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;224 West 30th St -- Suite 1206&lt;br /&gt;New York, NY 10001&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;Fax:  (212)564-7347&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;e-mail address:  You may contact her on line by using this &lt;a href="http://www.council.nyc.gov/d3/html/members/home.shtml"&gt;form.&lt;/a&gt;  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You may also contact &lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;Mayor Michael Bloomberg&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;City Hall&lt;br /&gt;New York, NY 10007&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;or on line by clicking &lt;a href="http://www.nyc.gov/portal/site/nycgov/menuitem.bd08ee7c7c1ffec87c4b36d501c789a0/index.jsp?doc_name=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nyc.gov%2Fhtml%2Fom%2Fhtml%2Fcontact_the_mayor.html"&gt;here.&lt;/a&gt;  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you are a New Yorker, you may also contact your &lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;Council Member&lt;/span&gt;.  Contact information is available &lt;a href="http://council.nyc.gov/html/members/members.shtml"&gt;here.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-6709584198328484700?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/6709584198328484700/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7693697089040184548&amp;postID=6709584198328484700' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/6709584198328484700'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/6709584198328484700'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2008/07/nyc-carriage-horse-issue-contacts.html' title='NYC CARRIAGE HORSE ISSUE  CONTACTS'/><author><name>Elizabeth Forel</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-7534275749982657196</id><published>2008-07-28T17:34:00.011-04:00</published><updated>2008-07-28T17:52:06.878-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='carriage horses; Rome tourism'/><title type='text'>HELP CARRIAGE HORSES IN ROME</title><content type='html'>Please support our fellow activists in Rome in their campaign to ban horse-drawn carriages.  Write to the Rome authorities to ask that they ban this industry.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;E-mails should be sent to the following: &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Public Relations Office of the Mayor   --  &lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;urp@comune.roma.it &lt;/span&gt;  &lt;br /&gt;Council of the Environment  --   &lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;ld.ambiente@comune.roma.it  &lt;/span&gt; &lt;br /&gt;The Councilor's Office   --  &lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;f.delillo@comune.roma.it   &lt;/span&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Below is a sample letter.  Please change it as you see fit so it does not sound "canned."   &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;I am writing in support of the Italian citizens who are asking the Rome City Council to ban the use of horse-drawn carriages. The only way to put an end to mistreatment, accidents, suffering, and death of horses is to ban this "attraction". &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is time for Rome to move into the 21st century and take seriously its moral and ethical responsibility to these sentient beings while ensuring the safety of its citizens. Surely as a civilized society in Italy's capital, you  must do no less.   &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Carriage horses take away from the experience of being in Rome and I vow not to travel to your city until this industry is ended.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We urge Mayor Gianni Alemanno and the Rome City Council to immediately ban all horse-drawn carriages from Rome.    &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[your name and city/state/country]&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-7534275749982657196?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/7534275749982657196/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7693697089040184548&amp;postID=7534275749982657196' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/7534275749982657196'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/7534275749982657196'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2008/07/take-action-help-carriage-horses-in.html' title='HELP CARRIAGE HORSES IN ROME'/><author><name>Elizabeth Forel</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-7846264256750773753</id><published>2008-07-27T16:52:00.006-04:00</published><updated>2008-07-28T06:47:03.906-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Christine Quinn'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Rome tourism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='carriage horses'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='NYC Council'/><title type='text'>WHEN IN ROME ...</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/SIzgYohXM-I/AAAAAAAAALc/k78psssQITc/s1600-h/Roman+Carriage+horse.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/SIzgYohXM-I/AAAAAAAAALc/k78psssQITc/s320/Roman+Carriage+horse.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5227799981269136354" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You gotta love those Italians – they really know how to make things happen!  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It was only a week or so ago, when we heard about the Italian animal rights group in Rome – ENPA  -  calling for a ban of the horse-drawn carriage industry.  Activists took to the street giving out fliers to tourists asking them not to take the carriage rides.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Not wasting any time, the &lt;a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4402498.ece"&gt;Italian parliament&lt;/a&gt; has taken up this cause.  Our NYC Council, most of whom have no backbone and do whatever Speaker Christine Quinn dictates, are only good at naming streets, giving themselves raises, getting slush fund money for their favorite groups,  and collecting a pay check.  Pathetic!  Quinn has a tight bond with the Queens Democratic party, which got her into power.  It is this party that supports the tiny, tiny carriage industry.  They can do no wrong   Enough said.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The carriage industry in Rome is accused of routinely fleecing customers; illegally working during the hottest period – 1-5 Pm from July to September and generally treating their horses cruelly.  Sounds familiar.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Gianni Mancuso, a deputy for the ruling People of Liberty alliance and a veterinary surgeon,  demanded to know what the government “intends to do about this scandal.”  He claimed that the drivers worked the horses “to death” sending them to slaughter when they were no longer able to work.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;ENPA has appealed to the Mayor of Rome, Gianni Alemanno, to ban the industry and transform  their licenses into taxi licenses.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is the same issue in every city – especially the large ones – that have a horse carriage trade -- New York, Boston, Chicago, Florence, Philadelphia.  Horses are exploited to entertain people.  They are literally worked to death – wearing heavy tack, blinders, bits and stuck between the shafts of their carriages for hours on end.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We will be following the situation in Rome closely.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-7846264256750773753?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/7846264256750773753/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7693697089040184548&amp;postID=7846264256750773753' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/7846264256750773753'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/7846264256750773753'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2008/07/when-in-rome.html' title='WHEN IN ROME ...'/><author><name>Elizabeth Forel</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_qx-xaehz-pc/SIzgYohXM-I/AAAAAAAAALc/k78psssQITc/s72-c/Roman+Carriage+horse.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-8843274545985977731</id><published>2008-07-19T16:30:00.002-04:00</published><updated>2008-07-19T16:37:40.562-04:00</updated><title type='text'>String of 90-degree days means TORTURE for horses</title><content type='html'>July and August often bring with them a string of 85 to 90-degree days with high humidity.  I can't even STAND in 90-degree weather without being extremely uncomfortable.  How do these horses--pulling hundreds and hundreds of pounds of carriage containing up to FIVE mindlessly insensitive people, the horses wearing full harness and bridle and bit, standing in the hot sun for nine hours a day, seven days a week, with their feet on pavement that goes up to 120 degrees--how don't they drop dead???&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Christine&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-8843274545985977731?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/8843274545985977731/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7693697089040184548&amp;postID=8843274545985977731' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/8843274545985977731'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/8843274545985977731'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2008/07/string-of-90-degree-days-means-torture.html' title='String of 90-degree days means TORTURE for horses'/><author><name>Christine</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04889411031813178738</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-7059308846612131676</id><published>2008-07-01T07:30:00.002-04:00</published><updated>2008-07-01T07:35:11.364-04:00</updated><title type='text'>Here we go again!</title><content type='html'>June brings the warm weather, and with it worry on the part of horse protectionists; because we know that with the heat brings immense suffering to the carriage horses.  When one adds the humidity to the temperature to create the heat index (the real temperature), horses can be out in full harness pulling many hundreds of pounds of carriage and riders in temperatures of WELL OVER 100 DEGREES!!  The horses are beyond miserable:  they are in danger of heatstroke, and death.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-7059308846612131676?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/7059308846612131676/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7693697089040184548&amp;postID=7059308846612131676' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/7059308846612131676'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/7059308846612131676'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2008/07/here-we-go-again.html' title='Here we go again!'/><author><name>Christine</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04889411031813178738</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-7688091864924292284</id><published>2008-06-29T09:09:00.002-04:00</published><updated>2008-06-29T09:11:14.731-04:00</updated><title type='text'>My first post</title><content type='html'>This is my first posting on this blog.  I am in favor of a ban of the horse-drawn carriage in New York City.  I have been involved on and off with this issue since the early 80's.  I  have learned that no amount of change can make this a good thing for the horses.  It must be banned.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-7688091864924292284?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/7688091864924292284/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7693697089040184548&amp;postID=7688091864924292284' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/7688091864924292284'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/7688091864924292284'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2008/06/my-first-post.html' title='My first post'/><author><name>Christine</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/04889411031813178738</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-2542989946694547816</id><published>2008-02-16T17:40:00.009-05:00</published><updated>2008-02-16T17:47:14.219-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Valentine's Day Protest &amp; Counter Protest</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/R7dnxPRUU-I/AAAAAAAAACM/XBr-mdyHMtM/s1600-h/rally+2.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/R7dnxPRUU-I/AAAAAAAAACM/XBr-mdyHMtM/s320/rally+2.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5167713193041351650" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/R7dns_RUU9I/AAAAAAAAACE/lyWuqBhQRp0/s1600-h/rally+3.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/R7dns_RUU9I/AAAAAAAAACE/lyWuqBhQRp0/s320/rally+3.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5167713120026907602" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/R7dnkvRUU8I/AAAAAAAAAB8/f6zotcbJq3Q/s1600-h/Nancy+%26+horse.JPG"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; 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float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 322px; height: 247px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/R7dm1vRUU5I/AAAAAAAAABk/VimQAPUGRkI/s320/DSCF0187.JPG" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5167712170839135122" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/R7dmuvRUU4I/AAAAAAAAABc/sBWNJDlWbdk/s1600-h/DSC01949.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 279px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/R7dmuvRUU4I/AAAAAAAAABc/sBWNJDlWbdk/s320/DSC01949.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5167712050580050818" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/R7dmpfRUU3I/AAAAAAAAABU/kzjryDvS9G0/s1600-h/Anita.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/R7dmpfRUU3I/AAAAAAAAABU/kzjryDvS9G0/s320/Anita.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5167711960385737586" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-2542989946694547816?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/2542989946694547816'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/2542989946694547816'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2008/02/valentines-day-protest-counter-protest.html' title='Valentine&apos;s Day Protest &amp; Counter Protest'/><author><name>Oliver</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_E2FrDtiEOIQ/R7dnxPRUU-I/AAAAAAAAACM/XBr-mdyHMtM/s72-c/rally+2.jpg' height='72' width='72'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-2930837453539173678</id><published>2007-11-16T18:02:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-11-16T18:23:24.312-05:00</updated><title type='text'>LEGISLATION TO BAN HORSE-DRAWN CARRIAGE INDUSTRY</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;ANNOUNCEMENT:&lt;/span&gt;  A Press Conference and Rally in support of legislation sponsored by Council Member Tony Avella to &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;ban the horse-drawn carriage industry&lt;/span&gt; in New York City will be held on &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;December 8, 2007 at 12:00 noon.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Where:  &lt;/span&gt;steps of  City Hall - New York City (between Broadway and Park Row)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Who:&lt;/span&gt;  Council Member Tony Avella; Coalition to Ban Horse-Drawn Carriages; Friends of Animals; League of Humane Voters, NYC; Rational-Animal - and all the many people who care about these horses&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;All are welcome to join in this historic effort.  So bring yourself, friends, family and co-workers.  Posters provided.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Many of us have complained for years about the treatment of the horses  -   to no avail.  Finally, a Council Member  - Tony Avella - has stepped up to the plate with the courage to make a difference for these long suffering animals.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;See you there - Coalition to Ban Horse-Drawn Carriages - &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;www.banhdc.org&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;for more information:  &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;coalition@banhdc.org  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-2930837453539173678?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/2930837453539173678/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7693697089040184548&amp;postID=2930837453539173678' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/2930837453539173678'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/2930837453539173678'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2007/11/legislation-to-ban-horse-drawn-carriage.html' title='LEGISLATION TO BAN HORSE-DRAWN CARRIAGE INDUSTRY'/><author><name>Oliver</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-4623642498066012585</id><published>2007-11-06T23:42:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-11-06T23:42:08.934-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Horse-Drawn Carriage Rides NYC (NYC Carriage Horse Project): Coalition to Ban Horse Drawn Carriages' Response to News Report</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://carriagehorseproject.blogspot.com/2007/11/coalition-to-ban-horse-drawn-carriages.html"&gt;Horse-Drawn Carriage Rides NYC (NYC Carriage Horse Project): Coalition to Ban Horse Drawn Carriages' Response to News Report&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Although CBS uncovered the truth about the shameful conditions of West Side Livery, they did not even begin to tell the real story about the miserable lives of these horses. They did not allow Elizabeth Forel to make her argument (let alone complete a sentence), yet they let the claims of "industry spokesman" Ian McKeever go unchallenged.  For the REAL truth behind this cruel tradition, (not the Disney version), see this trailer on YouTube for a  new powerful documentary by Donny Moss: &lt;a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=31GgmMsFzOM"&gt;http://youtube.com/watch?v=31GgmMsFzOM&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-4623642498066012585?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://carriagehorseproject.blogspot.com/2007/11/coalition-to-ban-horse-drawn-carriages.html' title='Horse-Drawn Carriage Rides NYC (NYC Carriage Horse Project): Coalition to Ban Horse Drawn Carriages&apos; Response to News Report'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/4623642498066012585/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7693697089040184548&amp;postID=4623642498066012585' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/4623642498066012585'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/4623642498066012585'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2007/11/horse-drawn-carriage-rides-nyc-nyc_06.html' title='Horse-Drawn Carriage Rides NYC (NYC Carriage Horse Project): Coalition to Ban Horse Drawn Carriages&apos; Response to News Report'/><author><name>Jill</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-8524825580201287413</id><published>2007-11-06T23:28:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-11-06T23:28:47.003-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Horse-Drawn Carriage Rides NYC (NYC Carriage Horse Project): Carriage Horse Industry at a Crossroads</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://carriagehorseproject.blogspot.com/2007/11/carriage-horse-industry-at-crossroads.html"&gt;Horse-Drawn Carriage Rides NYC (NYC Carriage Horse Project): Carriage Horse Industry at a Crossroads&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you want to see the real truth behind the tradition of horse-drawn carriages, see this trailer from a powerful new movie by Donny Moss:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=31GgmMsFzOM"&gt;http://youtube.com/watch?v=31GgmMsFzOM&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-8524825580201287413?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://carriagehorseproject.blogspot.com/2007/11/carriage-horse-industry-at-crossroads.html' title='Horse-Drawn Carriage Rides NYC (NYC Carriage Horse Project): Carriage Horse Industry at a Crossroads'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/8524825580201287413/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7693697089040184548&amp;postID=8524825580201287413' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/8524825580201287413'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/8524825580201287413'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2007/11/horse-drawn-carriage-rides-nyc-nyc.html' title='Horse-Drawn Carriage Rides NYC (NYC Carriage Horse Project): Carriage Horse Industry at a Crossroads'/><author><name>Jill</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-5224326654742286298</id><published>2007-07-23T12:34:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-07-23T12:36:36.221-04:00</updated><title type='text'>The Need for New Leadership at the ASPCA</title><content type='html'>&lt;p&gt;What is preventing the ASPCA from calling for a ban? The Toronto Humane Society did in Toronto and was successful. In fact, they are advocating for the NYC horses much more aggressively than our own ASPCA!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.torontohumanesociety.com/newsandevents/stories/2006/09-14a.asp" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.torontohumanesociety.com/newsandevents/stori es/2006/09-14a.asp&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.torontohumanesociety.com/speakup/topic.asp?id=19" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.torontohumanesociety.com/speakup/topic.asp?i d=19&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;I question the effectiveness of the ASPCA if it has been working to get legislation passed for more than 20 years, and hasn’t been successful. They blame it on 1) The city council–a body that has turned over in the last 20 years, which means that they could have been BUILDING political will among new council members and mayors over this long period AND 2) “Industry interests.” Why can’t this multi-million dollar organization match the political savvy of the carriage horse industry….or the Toronto Humane Society? &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Maybe it’s time for new leadership at the ASPCA. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-5224326654742286298?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/5224326654742286298/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7693697089040184548&amp;postID=5224326654742286298' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/5224326654742286298'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/5224326654742286298'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2007/07/need-for-new-leadership-at-aspca.html' title='The Need for New Leadership at the ASPCA'/><author><name>Jill</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-2826149009942456077</id><published>2007-07-21T16:54:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-07-21T16:58:06.161-04:00</updated><title type='text'>ASPCA -   What would Henry Bergh think?</title><content type='html'>&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;The NYC carriage horses and the people of NYC who care about them deserve so much better than what we have been getting.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;The ASPCA is feeling the heat of everyone who wants the carriage horse industry to be banned.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;They&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;recently issued a typically disingenuous statement on their web site, which was really a tweaking of one that was already there.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;“Official Statement and FAQS n NYC Carriage Horses"&lt;/span&gt; – dated 7/17/07.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;www.aspca.org.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;This was a press release but only one equine newsletter picked it up.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;They begin by saying that the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;“ASPCA is not opposed to the use of horses and other equines in pulling carts and carriages for hire, provided that all of the animal’s physiological and behavioral needs are fully met; housing and stable conditions are humane; and their working hours and conditions are carefully regulated as to temperature, humidity, proximity to traffic, rest periods, etc. Working equines should receive regular veterinary and farrier care and be provided a humane retirement when no longer able to work. “&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;They are fully aware that none of these conditions are being met and will not be with Council Member Tony Avella's bill, which they are supporting.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;This bill, introduced in early 2006, would &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;“restrict the horses to Central Park.”&lt;/span&gt; It is a dreadful bill and the ASPCA’s statements are deceitful.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The Avella bill would restrict the horses to the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;“area inside or immediately adjacent to Central Park”&lt;/span&gt; – which is exactly where they operate now.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;So this means the horses can still operate on Central Park South and Central Park West; in the park;&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;and going to and from the stables.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Most of the accidents have occurred in these areas – the July 4th accident was on CPS.&lt;span style=""&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;The only way this bill is different from the existing law is that the horses will not be able to go to Times Square or Lincoln Center.&lt;span style=""&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;The bill does not address anything else –physiological and behavioral; humane stable conditions; working&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;conditions&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;carefully regulated as to temperature, humidity, proximity to traffic, rest periods and a humane retirement – All the things the ASPCA mentions in the first paragraph of their “Official Statement”&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;The ASPCA also makes the charge that they have not been successful in passing legislation – despite their best efforts – because the “GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS , INCLUDING THE CITY COUNCIL” have supported the industry.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;A few things here – This statement is absurd&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;-- the ASPCA is a multi million dollar organization because of PUBLIC DONATIONS – and yet they cannot build public and political will to do the right thing for these horses?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;They have neither the will nor the inclination to do so. And if they are charging that the City Council is supporting the carriage industry – let them name names?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Which Council Members?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We want to know.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;After all, we elect them.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--&gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;The ASPCA likes to refer to itself as America's first humane society -- and they have assumed the position of the animal protection organization of record in NYC.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The entire statement sounds like a pathetic cop out to me.&lt;span style=""&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-2826149009942456077?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/2826149009942456077/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7693697089040184548&amp;postID=2826149009942456077' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/2826149009942456077'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/2826149009942456077'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2007/07/aspca-what-would-henry-bergh-think.html' title='ASPCA -   What would Henry Bergh think?'/><author><name>Elizabeth Forel</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-5239834250747504128</id><published>2007-07-07T17:47:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-07-07T17:49:44.919-04:00</updated><title type='text'>VERY HOT TODAY FOR THE CARRIAGE HORSES ON CPS</title><content type='html'>I was at the hack line today for several hours. It was very hot and the horses do not do well in hot weather. I had a thermometer with me that read close to 100 in the sun. The ASPCA air conditioned van passed driving west on Central Park South at 2:30. It did not stop. Not even to take the temperature. So much for monitoring the horses. The horses do not have ready access to water and some appeared thirsty. As they pass the filthy water trough in the park north of the 6&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0"&gt;th&lt;/span&gt; Avenue intersection, some of the carriages stop to water their horses; others do not.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The weather projected for tomorrow and Monday is in the 90s. Horses are supposed to be sent back to their stables when it reaches 90 degrees. Humidity is not a factor. Will the ASPCA agent(s) be there to monitor the temperature? Will they send the horses in? Only they know for sure. Their number is 212-876-7700 - x 4450.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-5239834250747504128?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/5239834250747504128/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7693697089040184548&amp;postID=5239834250747504128' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/5239834250747504128'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/5239834250747504128'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2007/07/very-hot-today-for-carriage-horses-on.html' title='VERY HOT TODAY FOR THE CARRIAGE HORSES ON CPS'/><author><name>Oliver</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7693697089040184548.post-7446073038339332038</id><published>2007-07-06T10:28:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2007-07-06T10:28:27.850-04:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='carriage horses'/><title type='text'>ANOTHER CARRIAGE HORSE ACCIDENT!</title><content type='html'>On July 4, 2007  a carriage horse named Bud spooked on Central Park South and ran into traffic crashing into a cab.  His back legs were injured and bloody.  The cabby went to the hospital and a motorcyclist was hit by the carriage.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is the second time in one month that a spooked horse was involved in an accident.  On June 2, a horse was hit by an SUV in midtown.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When is our Mayor and City Council going to take this issue seriously  - when a human dies?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Other major cities like Paris, London, Toronto and Beijing have banned the carriage horse trade from operating in their cities.  And many American cities have followed suit.  They all recognized that it is dangerous to both horses and humans alike and inhumane.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Carriage horses do not belong in the traffic congestion of NYC.  If you feel the same way, contact your council member and the mayor.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7693697089040184548-7446073038339332038?l=carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/feeds/7446073038339332038/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7693697089040184548&amp;postID=7446073038339332038' title='5 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/7446073038339332038'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7693697089040184548/posts/default/7446073038339332038'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://carriagehorsesnyc.blogspot.com/2007/07/another-carriage-horse-accident.html' title='ANOTHER CARRIAGE HORSE ACCIDENT!'/><author><name>Oliver</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>5</thr:total></entry></feed>
